Dog shot with crossbow (warning graphic picture)

[Tony9r]

I've never had such an affectionate dog as my Staffie bitch... those scum bags are soooooo wrong in the head

[new to the flock]

Yes but crossbows seem to be so deadly in comparision to air rifles and readily avaliable without licencing. Also as you can't hunt with crossbows is there a use, I am not knowledgable of the subject but wonder do people target shoot using normal crosswbows? I imagine it would be quite easy to get them to accurately hit an archey target, espically when lots feature scopes.

 

 

Naddan,

 

Yes there are lots of people that shoot cross bows and bows at targets. You must remember there are straight circle targets as well as 3D life size animal Targets available for archery. And it is not quite as easy as it may look to make those shots. Remember there are alot of angles involved in archery, so that a shot taken kills by hitting as much internal organ ....lungs and heart....as possible.

 

I also agree that there is a need for licencing and proficency testing before being allowed to hunt with them. But I also think the same could be said for all air rifles...the licencing......not just Fac ones.

 

Mungler,

 

I respect your views on the crossbow and hunting issue, and this is not meant to cause an argument, but I am wondering why you say the UK is not well suited to bow hunting? From what I have seen the UK has excellent bow hunting land and opportunity. The deer species that you have would make for excellant quarry both as a challenging hunt, and as excellant table fare.

 

 

 

NTTF

[naddan28]

NTTF, do you shoot crossbows at an angle then like bows, i assumed/thought that they were shot straight hence the scope hence why I assumed that it wouldn't be to hard to shoot. Also (another assumption) surely a crossbow is far more deadly than a sub 12fltb air rifle? 150lb draw string seems to launch 16" bolts at 300ft/ps which is quite scary considering the lack of legislation.

[Poacher]

That is sickening, however some of the reactions to the use of crossbbows are completely 'knee jerk' and way out of line. If this dog was shot with a rifle instead of a crossbow, would everyone be yelling 'ban them all' think about it guys.

[Big Al]

NTTF

 

I have no desire to offend anyone, least of all you, but I can only speak as I find.

 

I live in the area this happened in and , as I implied, the vast majority of people who own crossbows around here are thugs. Sad to say, but this kind of thing is not entirely unusual around here, although it is usually the maimings that make the news. I'm sure there are a few genuine people out there, but there are many, many more hallions.

 

Where you are and where I am obviously differ significantly. My suggestion of a call for banning is because I know of no, repeat no, genuine bone-fide cross-bow hunters here.

 

Please accept this as an apology to you, and all genuine bow hunters, but I know of none here.

[mossy835]

That is sickening, however some of the reactions to the use of crossbbows are completely 'knee jerk' and way out of line. If this dog was shot with a rifle instead of a crossbow, would everyone be yelling 'ban them all' think about it guys.

 

 

another good point

[Topgunners]

who ever left this dog like that is'nt well,as for crossbows i hunted rabbits years ago with one,personally i reckon they should be of the market no use for them they are one dangerous weapon,im very surprised there arent more accidents with them.

 

 

I saw the paper in the shop yesterday, a full front page spread. Apart from the poor dog, the ****(s) who did this have tarred us too. To me crossbows for sale are the same as baseball bats for sale - 99% of them are bought for the wrong reason, or by dangerous people.

 

Is there any need for crossbows to remain legal? Could the shooting / fieldsports world call for a ban?

 

 

Disgusting

 

they want stringing up

 

Crossbows are pointless in my view, 99% of the people that want to own them are exectly the type of people who shouldnt be allowed anywhere near them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The above comments could be made concerning your shotguns and rifles as well:look:

 

As I am someone that hunts with longbows, recurve bows, compound bows and cross bows I find the above comments very offensive. I dont remember being a dangerous person, or a thug. :

 

Who said that???

 

You losing your memory as well NTTF??:P?

 

As for the knobhead(s) that did that, they deserve all what comes to them.

 

Brain-deads spring to mind.

 

 

Dave K

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NTTF

[Mungler]

NTTF,

 

There is no "bow" culture in this country - there might be in your country and it might be entirely legitimate and respected (like hunting with blow pipes in South America or those ball and rope things [swung round the head] that the Spainish use and whose name escapes me).

 

However, I can assure you that 99% of all crossbow owners in the UK are nommers and only hunt domestic pets.

 

That being said, I am not up for banning crossbows - it is a slippery slope and where do we end up? Banning baseball bats, cars, all items of sporting equipment which have hard or sharp edges, pint glasses, all knives, helicopters, salmon fish bones, peanuts... all which are deadly in the wrong hands.

[SNAKEBITE]

It it not the "weapon" that is dangerous but the person holding it. Everyone has their prefered choice and has a reason for that. I prefer air guns over rimfires and someone may prefer a bow over anything else.

IMHO Because Britian does not have a "bow culture" we frown upon bows, the idiots that do this to a dog do not help the image either.

What do other countries think of our image of old duffers dressed in tweed shooting pheasnts that are driven towards a line of guns? To be honest we don't care because it is our tradition and ******** to to what they think.

Maybe we should let other countries do what is traditional to them without picking holes.

 

Let NTTF shoot with a bow.

 

Oh Mungler, is it "Bolas" that the Argentinians/Spanish use?

[new to the flock]

NTTF,

 

There is no "bow" culture in this country - there might be in your country and it might be entirely legitimate and respected (like hunting with blow pipes in South America or those ball and rope things [swung round the head] that the Spainish use and whose name escapes me).

 

However, I can assure you that 99% of all crossbow owners in the UK are nommers and only hunt domestic pets.

 

That being said, I am not up for banning crossbows - it is a slippery slope and where do we end up? Banning baseball bats, cars, all items of sporting equipment which have hard or sharp edges, pint glasses, all knives, helicopters, salmon fish bones, peanuts... all which are deadly in the wrong hands.

 

Mungler,

 

Thanks mate for the clarification. I thought in your original post you were saying that the land did not suit itself to hunting with a bow, and I was curious as to why you thought that. I see now you were refering to the fact that there is no longer a bow hunting tradition in the UK and that it is the people that are using them with little or no respect that you are refering to.

 

I find it hard to understand why a country that has a very rich and proud history, much of which is based around the advent of both the long bow and cross bow , would ban the use of bows for hunting. I can see that at one point it may well have been done to help stop poaching, but I am amazed that it has not been lobbied for as a legitiment form of hunting.

 

NTTF

[new to the flock]

NTTF, do you shoot crossbows at an angle then like bows, i assumed/thought that they were shot straight hence the scope hence why I assumed that it wouldn't be to hard to shoot. Also (another assumption) surely a crossbow is far more deadly than a sub 12fltb air rifle? 150lb draw string seems to launch 16" bolts at 300ft/ps which is quite scary considering the lack of legislation.

 

Naddan,

 

The angles I am alking about are the angles of entry and exit. When you look at an animal for the purpose of hunting it with a bow you have to look at the animal in 3D. When you lease an arrow depending on how the animal is standing ...or whether you are elivated in a stand.....you may change the point of entry....the angle ......that you shoot at.

 

With a bullet you aim for a vital, once the bullet strikes it mushrooms and bounces in the organ causing greater damage, and killing by shock....kinetic energy... and blood loss. With an arrow you only kill by blood lose so the angles of entry and exit and that 3D picture all come together to let you see what you are passing through....the lungs and heart.....with the arrow. Successful bow hunters see the anatomy of the animal they are hunting when looking through a site pin not the outside of the animal.

 

NTTF

[Guest rabo]

I wonder is the crossbow as inaccurate as it was when i used one ,i used BARNETT WILDCAT they were a good make but some times the bolt would miss the target big time,last nite i had a fox sitting of me about 50 yards i had the shotgun with me and i wouldnt take a shot,wasnt confident of a quick kill had no.3 36gms in,i just couldnt take a shot like that with a crossbow.maybe they have improved i dont know, the compound bow now it was very accutate compared with the crossbow.killed many a rabbit with them.at the time i didnt know we werent allowed to hunt with them,we would have been stopped by the police at times they just said make sure they dont come my direction.bit wild over here then. EDIT.CHARLIE will be there for another day hopefully ill get my HMR soon.rabo

[new to the flock]

I wonder is the crossbow as inaccurate as it was when i used one ,i used BARNETT WILDCAT they were a good make but some times the bolt would miss the target big time,last nite i had a fox sitting of me about 50 yards i had the shotgun with me and i wouldnt take a shot,wasnt confident of a quick kill had no.3 36gms in,i just couldnt take a shot like that with a crossbow.maybe they have improved i dont know, the compound bow now it was very accutate compared with the crossbow.killed many a rabbit with them.at the time i didnt know we werent allowed to hunt with them,we would have been stopped by the police at times they just said make sure they dont come my direction.bit wild over here then.

 

Rabo,

 

I still use a Wildcat, and are a good cross bow for short ranges. I would not shoot over 20 meters with one. As to why the bolts would some times fly off...there are numerouse reasons. The head or tip , may have been loose.....the bolt may have been forward of the string slightly......the string may have been pulled of center, more to one side than the other, when you were cocking it, you will find most crossbow users have their strings marked with nail polish both sides of centre to prevent this.....you may have rolled the sting.......or you may have had a slight warp in that particular bolt.

 

Like any weapon you need to know the limits of the tool, but you also need to know your limits of ability. I have numerous bows, and on TARGETS I will shoot out to 35 or 40 meters, but on LIVE QUARRY....deer, boar, bear, rabbits .......I am comfortable shooting 12 to 20 meters.

 

NTTF

[Guest rabo]

NTTF I was aware that i was prob pulling the string to one side it was very hard with the but sticking in your chest,do you hunt with compounds? could you get better distance and accuracy with them. seen a guy on you tube shooting in AFRICA a hippo i think it was,couldnt believe it,

[new to the flock]

Rabo,

 

I have 3 compound bows, my favourite one is an Onidea. It works with drop limbs instead of off just full or 1/2 cams. Compounds shoot very fast and have a good distance range although again I keep my shots between 12 and 20 meters when hunting. For me this is my comfort zone, if I can not get inside 20 meters I do not shoot. I have friends that can stack the arrows one on top of the other at 40 meters most of them wont hunt past 30 meters.

 

I dont think there is any large game out there today that a modern crossbow could not humanly harvest in the hands of a compitant shooter.

 

NTTF

[MAJ2]

Banning and licencing may not be the answer. We still have problems (thankfully quite rare) concerning shotguns, firearms and handguns, all of which are either banned or can only be possessed under licence. I seriously think we should be looking more at punishment. Anybody carrying illegally, using, or threatening with, a weapon such as a gun or crossbow should get a substantial prison sentence. And prison should be prison, not Butlins. Bread and water, and work parties.

[MAJ2]

..........and I'll stick my neck out (pardon the pun) BRING BACK HANGING.

[WeekendWarrior]

that is possibly one the most horrible things i've seen.....at least it wouldn't have hurt too much, for too long, i hope....they've got to be able to get something from the bolt

[chrismpullbang]

sick sick ********! how on earth could anyone get enjoyment from this, I hope that they accidentaly shoot themselves

[tikkamark]

Crossbows should not be banned but the should be classed in the same group as centerfire or rimfire rifles if people want them for a hunting or target purpose surely they wont mind getting a fac for one.In the wrong hands they are lethal.

[njc110381]

It's the guy with the bow that needs sorting. I can't believe that some of you guys on here would like to see bows banned! Shooting community people should know all the problems we have to put up with from the anti crew, and to start acting just like they do because you don't like the bow is just unbelievable. I think they need more control, but not banning. Take a good look at yourselves, would you really like to ruin another guys hobby just because you don't like it? That's the attitude of the antis that we moan about every day, don't join them! DOUBLE STANDARDS springs to mind, wake up!