panoma1 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Bet that the civil service could come up with statistics that said every household in the UK would be £5000 better off if we voted out of the EU!..........if their political masters wanted them to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Bet that the civil service could come up with statistics that said every household in the UK would be £5000 better off if we voted out of the EU!..........if their political masters wanted them to! Minister: Bring me the figures on Brexit Sir Humphrey: Yes minister, would that be the figures that prove or the figures that disprove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Where is the out forecast? Cameron blocked the out campaign from having access to any of the figures. That boy is running scared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) They have just interviewed a woman from the Royal College of Midwives about why they are recommending we stay. She said if we left women would lose the right to statutory maternity leave. She also said employers would be able to sack women if they are pregnant. That's not true, its so not true. This is starting to get dirty Edited April 19, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 the £4300 is an estimated figure of gdp loss portioned NOT actual household income.As the OBR cannot forecast 6 months time how the hell we are supposed to swallow a 200 page document of conjecture for 14 years time is frankly laughable.The truth is we dont know where we shall be in the future whichever way the Brexit debate falls and this dirty politics I suspect will wind up voters to behave more 'irrationally' ie with hearts than heads.Sadly there is little honour in saying 'don't know',which is the truth, so spin takes over and we are treated as idiots.As Frederick Forsythe puts it we are a constitutional democracy who has to pass everything via an unconstitutional un-elected bureaucracy....this is'nt about immigration to me it is more about hell i'm sick of being over regulated by overpaid faceless twits who mean nothing to me dictating my laws to the sole benefit of themselves. People will vote based upon what they think it will mean to them,sadly we are not going to see rational unbiased debate but self-interested PR. I would rather £9 million had been given to Sports aid than on a leaflet bereft of facts,For government Brexit will mean lots of work for politicians and as we all know they rather visit Miss Whiplash and update their duck houses than do anything useful for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 hello, it is like the first explorers thinking the world was flat and if they sailed into the sun set would drop off into the abyss, if we left the EU would the same thing happen NO!!!!!! we could even put the great back into GREAT BRITIAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 So your happy to vote for this the most corrupt entity £55million a day and no accounts What I havent heard is if we do leave will the government continue with the various industry subsidies we get from the EU at the moment from the £20bn we will save? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 hello, it is like the first explorers thinking the world was flat and if they sailed into the sun set would drop off into the abyss, if we left the EU would the same thing happen NO!!!!!! we could even put the great back into GREAT BRITIAN It is flat 😊 Well in spalding anyway 😗😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 What I havent heard is if we do leave will the government continue with the various industry subsidies we get from the EU at the moment from the £20bn we will save? they did before we joined the EU....wernt it always the topic on farming diary................my biggest worry is if we leave the EU.........are the resident politions up to actually running the country instead of been told what to do ...and sign here please......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Yes, the word global is bandied about rather a lot in this debate. So who are the global powers? Well if we're talking security I'd say Russia, China and NATO. The EU nations are members of, and rely on the combined power of NATO. The EU as an entity is pretty weak without the military might of the US. If we were to leave the EU we would still be a major partner in NATO. Our security has nothing to do with the EU, if anything it's compromised by our membership. If we're talking about trade, the big players are the US, China, India, Russia, Japan and Brazil. None of whom feel the need to be tied into a political union in order to be able to trade with their partners or across the globe. When we voted to stay in the EEC, as it was then, we were lied to. The British public were led to believe they were voting to stay in a free trade association, the politicians knew the truth and kept it from the public. Every PM since has wilfully lied and deceived the British people. By all means vote to stay in if that's what you think is best, but don't kid yourself about the repercussions. The EU isn't about trade or security, it's about power. It always has been and always will be. That is the best I've read anywhere. Also, all progress depends on unreasonable people - Quote The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw) Unquote Therefore, vote remain and Britain stagnates into the United States of Europe swamp. Edited April 19, 2016 by Eyefor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 It is flat Well in spalding anyway hello old farrier, yes but it is still a beautiful part of england, are elderkins still in spalding? if i am correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 They have just interviewed a woman from the Royal College of Midwives about why they are recommending we stay. She said if we left women would lose the right to statutory maternity leave. She also said employers would be able to sack women if they are pregnant. That's not true, its so not true. This is starting to get dirty You're right, that is absolute cobblers. Apart from Sweden the UK has by far the best maternity leave and pay in the EU. Way better than that of Germany or France. The maternity benefits we enjoy are better in spite of us being in the EU so not sure how that would suddenly change if we left. ******* unions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Can anyone explain why my clients are refusing to spend money pre-vote and seriously considering options post vote if Brexit is only good for the economy? It's worth remembering that recessions start off the back of low confidence and there's a lot of uneasy businesses out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 You're right, that is absolute cobblers. Apart from Sweden the UK has by far the best maternity leave and pay in the EU. Way better than that of Germany or France. The maternity benefits we enjoy are better in spite of us being in the EU so not sure how that would suddenly change if we left. ******* unions! There is an argument that the whole aspect of maternity pay and the subsequent family friendly hours parents can apply for costs UK businesses £millions every year. It also negatively impacts on services such as the police and creates negative equality. I'd be glad to see it watered down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Can anyone explain why my clients are refusing to spend money pre-vote and seriously considering options post vote if Brexit is only good for the economy? It's worth remembering that recessions start off the back of low confidence and there's a lot of uneasy businesses out there. If there was a Brexit vote the pound would drop massively against other currencies immediately and would be right down in the doldrums for two or three years at least. So would the 'footsie' , then slowly it would all start to climb back. But don't be underestimating the initial impact it will be very damaging in the short term. During this time the stay campaigners will be shouting "Told you so" at every opportunity Edited April 19, 2016 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Can anyone explain why my clients are refusing to spend money pre-vote and seriously considering options post vote if Brexit is only good for the economy? It's worth remembering that recessions start off the back of low confidence and there's a lot of uneasy businesses out there. It might help if you said who your clients were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 It might help if you said who your clients were? People who either buy or build substantial amounts of property Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 People who either buy or build substantial amounts of property No idea, seems a bit odd. I work for a large construction company dealing in commercial, industrial, retail and residential, and we're busier than ever. Maybe some folk are just more pessimistic than others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 If there was a Brexit vote the pound would drop massively against other currencies immediately and would be right down in the doldrums for two or three years at least. So would the 'footsie' , then slowly it would all start to climb back. But don't be underestimating the initial impact it will be very damaging in the short term. During this time the stay campaigners will be shouting "Told you so" at every opportunity Why? What difference would it make? We will still be the fifth largest economy in the world so it shouldn't make any difference at all, nor do I think it will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 People who either buy or build substantial amounts of property Maybe the budget with the new buy to let rules ? Just a thought Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Or they build hostels for immigrants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Just to state the obvious ;the Tories have spent 6 years spanking the british public including health workers paramedics and Police . Doctors strike a mere trifle . Disastrous foreign policy leading to catastrophic influx of refugees as well as leaky borders due to cuts . They then have the brass neck to ask you to support their IN campaign . Why give us a vote if it is so wrong to vote freely ? Osborne says vote IN ,guess what I am going to vote . Anything to put a spoke in the wheels of this shower of Tory Shiite . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Or they build hostels for immigrants?No they just use hotels as they did the Airport Hotel ex Posthouse Northenden South Manchester . Still taking paying guests ,see TripAdvisor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Osborne couldn't predict the economy for next week let alone 2030. Gove's speech says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Maybe the budget with the new buy to let rules ? Just a thought Of No, very different. Large scale residential and commercial schemes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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