80 % of Britons want our police to be armed

[Scully]

If i were in a brawl in a bar the last thing i would want is a gun anywhere in the room never mind my holster, guns are the final solution the end some one is going to die cthats what guns do trained or not. the fact a police officer has passed his cycling proficiencey test equivelent for guns means nothing when he misses and kills someone.

The yanks are born with handguns in every drawer in the house their mum has a concealled carry permit they are brought up with them from birth vertualy. Then they hone up their skills, and still manage to kill 59 people in 24 days where as our police kill 55 of us with guns in 24 years . This is not a maths problem its a cruel joke. No way do we need guns here, in pc plods every day kit.

If they all need to be armed then its time we all were and that is something so frightening i dont want to even think about it.

 

 

I am constantly amazed that I still find so many ill-informed or unknowledgeable remarks such as the above on this forum that I can only assume they must be deliberate.

Whether you're for or against our police being armed is of course entirely up to you, but this is exactly the type of deliberately sensationalistic twaddle we shooters complain about when it is peddled by our press.

Did you give any thought to the above before you typed it? Have you considered the fact that there are many many people out there who regard you, as a gun owning member of the general public ( I'm assuming you own a gun? ) in exactly the same way as you regard 'pc plod'?

[ordnance]

 

The yanks are born with handguns in every drawer in the house their mum has a concealled carry permit they are brought up with them from birth vertualy.

Do people just make it up as they go along.

 

 

5.2% of the total adult population has a concealed handgun permit in America.

Hardly what you described in your post.

 

 

I am constantly amazed that I still find so many ill-informed or unknowledgeable remarks such as the above on this forum that I can only assume they must be deliberate

Me to, as a said some just make it up as they go along, with no evidence to back up their posts.

Edited May 19, 2016 by ordnance

[happypig]

There is some rubbish on here.... I spent 11 years as an AFO

According to some it's a miracle I am still here

I have attended every type of job from shoplifters, pub fights, Rti's and delivered death messages.

 

I was very well trained by professional instructors and I can assure you the skill level was high.

 

I read of firearms officers doing home visits and not knowing the difference between various firearms etc... We are not all enthusiasts.

 

Please stop knocking armed officers... As ex military also I would rather a police officer than a soldier.

 

Shooting is less than 5% of the job... The rest is being about being a skilled police officer / negotiator/ tactician

 

Armed officer are very dedicated and face unreal scrutiny in all aspects of their job and life. They are continually assessed.

[novice cushie shooter]

Personaly i think the first line of defence should be armed. As much for their own safety and protection aswell as the publics. More so given the ammount of folk out there determined to cause destruction to innocent people. If being armed saves one life then job done.

[islandgun]

There is some rubbish on here.... I spent 11 years as an AFO

According to some it's a miracle I am still here

I have attended every type of job from shoplifters, pub fights, Rti's and delivered death messages.

 

I was very well trained by professional instructors and I can assure you the skill level was high.

 

I read of firearms officers doing home visits and not knowing the difference between various firearms etc... We are not all enthusiasts.

 

Please stop knocking armed officers... As ex military also I would rather a police officer than a soldier.

 

Shooting is less than 5% of the job... The rest is being about being a skilled police officer / negotiator/ tactician

 

Armed officer are very dedicated and face unreal scrutiny in all aspects of their job and life. They are continually assessed.

 

there you have it, the voice of experience as apposed to guesswork

[Cannon]

Having an armed police force in this part of the great green island of Ireland has proven to be dangerous itself on more than one occasion in the past few years. Police officers leaving their guns in public toilets in Sainsburys, discharging firearms on garage forecourts using fmj rounds etc. As civvies are we not entitled to protect ourselves the same as a police officer? Do our lives matter less? You could argue that police officers encounter more situations whereby a firearm would be a great deterrent or a life saver, but what about that one time where you have an 18 stone steroid stuffed headcase coming at you as a civilian? Or some drugged up junkie with a knife?

[ordnance]

 

Having an armed police force in this part of the great green island of Ireland has proven to be dangerous itself on more than one occasion in the past few years. Police officers leaving their guns in public toilets in Sainsburys, discharging firearms on garage forecourts using fmj rounds etc.

I assume you are talking about Northern Ireland as the police in the Republic of Ireland are not a armed force. Can we have a link to the incidents you posted about. ? If their are thousands of officers armed their are going to be incidents human nature, you have to decide if the benefits benefits outweigh the possible negative incidents.

[Vince Green]

There is some rubbish on here.... I spent 11 years as an AFO

According to some it's a miracle I am still here

I have attended every type of job from shoplifters, pub fights, Rti's and delivered death messages.

 

I was very well trained by professional instructors and I can assure you the skill level was high.

 

I read of firearms officers doing home visits and not knowing the difference between various firearms etc... We are not all enthusiasts.

 

Please stop knocking armed officers... As ex military also I would rather a police officer than a soldier.

 

Shooting is less than 5% of the job... The rest is being about being a skilled police officer / negotiator/ tactician

 

Armed officer are very dedicated and face unreal scrutiny in all aspects of their job and life. They are continually assessed.

I agree with what you say but does every police officer need a firearm? Is it not better to have specialists? rather than complicate the lives of every officer every day? That's the real issue here

[Fuddster]

perhaps the original posting should have been titled-

 

'99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed'.

 

and as for some of the more ignorant posts i say..Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln

 

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[ordnance]

 

99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed'

Where did you get the figure above. ?

[TONY R]

 

 

I am constantly amazed that I still find so many ill-informed or unknowledgeable remarks such as the above on this forum that I can only assume they must be deliberate.

Whether you're for or against our police being armed is of course entirely up to you, but this is exactly the type of deliberately sensationalistic twaddle we shooters complain about when it is peddled by our press.

Did you give any thought to the above before you typed it? Have you considered the fact that there are many many people out there who regard you, as a gun owning member of the general public ( I'm assuming you own a gun? ) in exactly the same way as you regard 'pc plod'?

Typical Scully venom and as ussual meaning nothing, as for me and ill informed i just read it thats all. Regular police with guns on a routene bassic has more of a chance of closing the gap on these figures than leaving them with tazers.

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/us-had-more-police-shootings-24-days-uk-24-years

[Fuddster]

Where did you get the figure above. ?

 

lets call it an informed hunch.

 

f.

[ordnance]

 

lets call it an informed hunch.

 

f.

You just made it up. OK. Maybe i have a informed hunch 99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed would be better.

Edited May 19, 2016 by ordnance

[TONY R]

 

lets call it an informed hunch.

 

f.

Informed hunch educated guess you can call it what you like, i recon its spot on hows that grab you.

You just made it up. OK.

No he is not you.

[Fuddster]

You just made it up. OK. Maybe i have a informed hunch 99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed would be better.

 

look back and see thats what i said.

 

switch on before you post please.

 

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[ordnance]

 

Informed hunch educated guess you can call it what you like, i recon its spot on hows that grab you.

Why do you think he is spot on, more Informed hunch educated guess, ? The reason i asked is when you post like bellow it looks like you have got facts from so somewere, not a Informed hunch educated guess. Now i know it was not a fact and just a made up figure thats all i need to know. Your view seems to come from reading one news article, mine comes from 50 years of living in a part of the UK with an armed police force, people can decide whose view to is more reliable.

 

 

99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed.

 

Edited May 19, 2016 by ordnance

[TONY R]

Why do you think he is spot on, more Informed hunch educated guess, ? The reason i asked is when you post like bellow it looks like you have got facts from so somewere, not a Informed hunch educated guess. Now i know it was not a fact and just a made up figure thats all i need to know.

 

You need to tell me how your mind came to that conclusion?

[ordnance]

You need to tell me how your mind came to that conclusion?

Because he said see bellow, feel free to prove me wrong not beleaving 99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed.

 

 

ordnance, on 19 May 2016 - 10:18 PM, said:

Where did you get the figure above. ?

 

lets call it an informed hunch.

Edited May 19, 2016 by ordnance

[TONY R]

Because he said see bellow, feel free to prove me wrong not beleaving 99% of Britiish Police don't want to be armed.

 

You have no evidence so its up to you to prove what you say the oness is on you not me. So back up or back down.

[ordnance]

You have no evidence so its up to you to prove what you say the oness is on you not me. So back up or back down.

No its not if you post somthing on a forum, you are going to be asked to back up your post, to suggest that that 99% of any orgnishion thinks one way is ridiculous. I am not sure what you want me to back up, point out to me the posts i have made you are talking about and i will back them up, i check facts before posting unlike some.

[Cannon]

Why do you think he is spot on, more Informed hunch educated guess, ? The reason i asked is when you post like bellow it looks like you have got facts from so somewere, not a Informed hunch educated guess. Now i know it was not a fact and just a made up figure thats all i need to know. Your view seems to come from reading one news article, mine comes from 50 years of living in a part of the UK with an armed police force, people can decide whose view to is more reliable.

 

To be honest it appears that the vast majority of your posts (about 80% or more) contain extracts taken from the first page of the google search screen. That's a statistic that cannot be disputed.

[happypig]

I agree with what you say but does every police officer need a firearm? Is it not better to have specialists? rather than complicate the lives of every officer every day? That's the real issue here

Vince,

It is a question that comes up with increasing regularity.

It works in Northern Ireland.

The threat is very different there.

I'm not going to comment on the numbers of afo's in any given area but you would be surprised.

 

At the moment I do not believe we are in a position for arming all officers. I am however in favour of taser for all.

Taser is not a response to a firearm or other lethal threat. It is however very effective and can prevent many injuries and assaults. It's not the magic wand. Nothing will replace effective communication.

I have used taser three times one else in a cell block where a red dot was a deterrent. The other two times were against non stereotypical persons with edged weapons. As a result of this the persons were detained with no injuries other than a scratch like a bee sting where the probe struck them.

The alternative was a baton strike or the subject or myself getting cut by the knife. Baton strikes have the potential to break bones.

 

As for officers wanting to be armed. There is a growing number of officers calling for this...

Perhaps the Norwegian model where all response vehicles carry firearms. There is a cost and training implication to maintain our very high standards.

Paris /Mumbai incidents scare me... Don't forget it will be the unarmed officers rushing to the scene to protect you.

Sadly this was illustrated outside the office of Charlie hebdou. That officer was armed.

 

In summary...." It's complicated "

I do get annoyed however with those on here who spout off about armed officers when the posts are groundless or simply what they heard in the pub etc

 

As for police opinions

Surveys by the Police Federation of England and Wales have continued to show police officers' considerable resistance to routine arming. In the Federation's most recent (2006) Officer/Arming survey, 82% of respondents were against the routine arming of police, although 43% supported an increase in the number of officers trained and authorised to use firearms.[15]

 

This last survey is dated and more recent work has been done post Paris/ Brussels

Edited May 19, 2016 by happypig

[Fuddster]

Thank you HP for a thorough and concise post.

 

Yours is from an informed point of view-so much better than a contrived point of view,from those who have never worn the cloth, but see fit to comment.

 

seems my 99% was slightly out but 82% pretty much shows where the British police opinion lies.

 

state 11.

 

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[12gauge82]

 

 

I am constantly amazed that I still find so many ill-informed or unknowledgeable remarks such as the above on this forum that I can only assume they must be deliberate.

Whether you're for or against our police being armed is of course entirely up to you, but this is exactly the type of deliberately sensationalistic twaddle we shooters complain about when it is peddled by our press.

Did you give any thought to the above before you typed it? Have you considered the fact that there are many many people out there who regard you, as a gun owning member of the general public ( I'm assuming you own a gun? ) in exactly the same way as you regard 'pc plod'?

Very well said, couldn't agree more

[12gauge82]

Why not. ?

Again nothing against police at all, just that being armed brings a level of risk to dealing with a violent unarmed assistant which is better dealt with in most situations by unarmed or less lethal armed officers. On a separate note all this cop bashing is mad, some people just carry a chip on their shoulder I guess.