8 shots to kill 2 caribou......

[rovercoupe]

Dont know if this was just tv adding shots to make it look more dramatic but it took 8 shots to kill one and injure another which was finished at 20 yards.

Is this how they do it in the wilds of alaska? I know its for food but if i could not hit and clean kill the animal I would not be taking the shot.

[Harry136]

Thats quite bad! What calibre was he using? I would of thought that in the wilds people would be using 30-06 or 308. Which is why when i get my FAC Im after a 308 as its a good all rounder, personally i think a 243 is a bit small for some of the larger deer species.

[sako751sg]

I once watched a documentary about a boys nose that got longer every time he lied.

To be honest,i thought it wasnt quite right.

[Harry136]

In the outback i would of thought that with scarce resources that they would be careful with shot placement due to wastage issues

[GRamsay]

In the outback i would of thought that with scarce res

Pces that they would be careful with shot placement due to wastage issues

 

 

Eh, I always thought the outback was in oz?

[Walker570]

I did not see this incident but the indigenous people up there would often use 22RF or 222/223 for everything because it was cheap I suppose. Caribou are not difficult to kill if the shot is placed in the right spot and are really stupid animals, not difficult to get close to, if the ones in Newfoundland I saw where anything to go by.

[rovercoupe]

There was 2 of them shooting one had what looks like 5.56 and the other a old army bolt action so must be around the 303 cal, later she tried to shoot a swan with it.

 

Life below zero the thaw was the program.

[scotslad]

I've seen some of those programme's and quite often there shooting with an old ancient gun with open sights, and quite often shoot at running large game, some of the folk on yukon men show seem to have more modern rifles witl scopes. I'd imagine the old guns could be 303's but some of the more modern stuff is 308 or 30 06 esp for doing the moose and bear hunts

 

When i first seen them injure/miss something i was quite shocked they showed it and didn't cut away from it.

The thng i find worst is how they killl an animal in a trap, usually try to choke it out with a snare to save putting a bullet hole in the pelt, which i can understand. But u just get used to doing stuf the way u have to do it here

 

It's not great but it happens even in this country, with large game probably far more common on the continent with all the driven large game hunts.

Do u shoot pheasants rivercoupe? Wot sort of shot to kill average do u get?

 

Plus most of these folk are subsistance hunters if ur freezer/larder is bare and an animal presents a shot outside the normal range ur going to take it, that could be the difference between starving or not, fortunately not something likely to happen to most UK shooters/stalkers

[Scully]

People do things differently in different countries. While over here it is expected we use the appropriate tool for the job, wounding still occurs. It's something we have to be prepared to admit to.

When my nephew was in NZ a couple of seasons ago, his boss took him and a mate goat shooting. They came across a small herd, and equipped with everything from .22 to shotguns the locals simply opened fire. Nephew told me there were maimed and wounded running around everywhere, and when it was all over his boss found it amusing that him and his mate had tried to pick their shots, while the locals simply blew bits off everything until they stopped moving.

[Grandalf]

When you are hungry you hunt. That includes hold traps, snares, bows and arrows and spears and a gun if you have it. Range becomes less important in relation to the hunger.

Whilst living, mapping survey, in Guyana in the seventies, me and my French camera man depended upon the next door hut kid shooting parrots with his catapult for fresh meat. We also put out night lines in the stream at the back of the village. The country was bankrupt at that time so you couldn't buy anything anywhere. It was a very lawless place too.

Oddly enough, but totally understandable, bog rolls were the highest valued commodity among the small expat community in the country.

 

These films though are not filmed in places like that. They are in outback America where you can go and buy a modern rifle with all the gizmos and NV. Gun shops are in all the small communities up in the frozen north. The culture is different so they prefer to do it the way that they do... For the film. You would soon get yourself properly tooled up if your life totally depended upon it.

[rovercoupe]

I do a bit of vermin shooting nothing that size! I know its totally different here for me im not shooting to survive. They have massive respect for the animals and the land but that person seems to miss more than than hits things. Maby thats why they need the tv money!

[Redgum]

Did you see the episode when they were shooting caribou as they crossed a river, head shooting with a .22, guessing rimfire, from a boat,the daughter was pinging away until she actually killed one, subsistence hunting to survive is what it is, I would club a cow to death with a log if that's all I had to feed my starving family. Sometimes maybe unnecessary practice may hide behind the flag of indigenous folks laws though.

[scotslad]

Aye i did see that 1 redgum, where basically chasing caribou in aboat as they swam and shooting them in the head some would be point blank.

 

Not sure which family the OP was commenting on but there was 1 native family that i doubt would have a lot of money everything was bartered for and they judst shot with an old looking lee enfield? or some sort of service rifle. To be fair seen 1 where there kids had a scoped rifle so mibee just used to doing it the old ways.

 

1 thing i do quite like about those programmes is almost always they say a small thank you/prayer over the dead animal (so for all some of shooting is not the best they stil have respect for the animal) and they show the animal being butchered

 

Dunno if the extreme cold bothers rifles scopes too?

Once had a varible power mag break in the cold cross hairs started turning as u turned the varible power, possibly just a coincidence it was cold and snowing that day? Wasn't an expensive scope either

Edited September 11, 2016 by scotslad

[Redgum]

I think the inuit lasses rifle is something bigger than 303, and they do zero the thing but ammo aint cheap and mostly bartered for. Maybe they use open scopes on the big rifle as they are often shooting moving targets at range. We have to take into account that the caribou are not only a food source but bartering to as no real income, when you have a herd of caribou rabidly disappearing away at 200/300 yards then maybe its understandable that they keep shooting, often using missed shots as a guide. A different world from the over fed English man who has the luxury of stalking a deer just for its antlers, maybe we should all go and spend a few months with the Inuits to remind of us what hunting is all about. For me, who also fits into the mold of the over fed English man by the way, I eat what I shoot, butcher and process venison in steaks and burgers bartering venison for beef and lamb, selling the odd beast to pay for my fuel and ammo but Sainsbury's has a large part in my survival and I hate the cold.

[Vince Green]

Back in the days of the depression in America of the 1920s a box of .22s cost a day's wages. 25 shotgun cartridges were nearly two days wages and centrefire rifle ammo was off the scale.

 

Putting food on the table was a business not a sport, your very survival depended on it

[Redgum]

There was 2 of them shooting one had what looks like 5.56 and the other a old army bolt action so must be around the 303 cal, later she tried to shoot a swan with it.

 

Life below zero the thaw was the program.

 

Saw a repeat and it was a 7.62 x 54 Russian.

[Vince Green]

 

Saw a repeat and it was a 7.62 x 54 Russian.

Probably using 1950s surplus FMJ ammo

[anser2]

I saw a program of caribou shooting in Alaska where the native Indians wounded the caribou in a hind leg on purpose. They had several miles walk back to camp and by breaking just one leg they could drive the animal back to camp without having to worry how they were going to have to carry a very heavy dead caribou back. Not acceptable here , but the obvious answer to them.

Edited September 28, 2016 by anser2

[scotslad]

I saw a program of caribou shooting in Alaska where the native Indians wounded the caribou in a hind leg on purpose. They had several miles walk back to camp and by breaking just one leg they could drive the animal back to camp without having to worry how they were going to have to carry a very heavy dead caribou back. Not acceptable here , but the obvious answer to them.

 

a quite intresting fact there. I wonder how they make sure it runs in the right direction?

 

I once heard/read that caribou don't like straight lines and in the old days the natives would lay out rope/branches and the caribou would walk up/down it rather than jump over it and use that for hunting them. Dunno if anyone else heard that.

 

I'm failry sure it was related to oil in alsaka and saying that oil piplines have a far bigger effect on caribou migration than they really should because they don't like crossing over these striaght line structures

[rovercoupe]

There was something to do with power lines too if i remember correctly.

[scotslad]

There was something to do with power lines too if i remember correctly.

 

That could be right enough then

Must admit i thought i mibee imagined it, was years ago and just 1 of those useless facts that sticks with u

 

If my mempry serves me correctly, they used to drive them and use these branche/ ropes to try and funnel them into spea/ arrow distance