figgy Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Anyone know of a manufacturer of 3" Steel BB cartridges? Been wondering why I can only find 3" in 1 shot. Would like to try some if any of you know of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant hit them all Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Anyone know of a manufacturer of 3" Steel BB cartridges? Been wondering why I can only find 3" in 1 shot. Would like to try some if any of you know of any. nsi steel waterfowl 3 icn ounce and a qauter in bb or 2 3 4 http://www.nobelsport.it/public/pages/ENG/schedac.asp?RISUL_New=y&Ramo=0&Cat1ID=342 Edited October 10, 2016 by Cant hit them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant hit them all Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 not 3 inch but fiocchi steel 35Gram is 70mm but available 0 , 2 4 and 5s and cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Remington do one. Good luck finding a stockist here though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Whereabouts are you buying these? not 3 inch but fiocchi steel 35Gram is 70mm but available 0 , 2 4 and 5s and cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Cecil Coates has 3's in ... they worked on a pair of mallard tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Cheers lads i will have to start looking around. Getting a local supplier will be the biggest problem. I have never had a problem with no 1 36g but myself and a few others have noticed this year they just don't seem to be bringing down the Geese,Canadas and big Greylags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant hit them all Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Whereabouts are you buying these? any dealer who stocks fiocchi or got accounts EDGAR BROTHERS but I got the fiocchi from. Cecil Coats I got them in 2s and 4s he did had some 0s in around £8.00 I think for 25 but I just buy loads of different stuff at once when I go there are it's a 22 miles drive Edited October 11, 2016 by Cant hit them all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Rottweil do a steel 3" 4.5mm 35g cartridge, might be worth a look https://www.ruag.com/fileadmin/ruag/Divisions/Ammotec/Hunting___Sports/Rottweil/PDF/Rottweil_Brochure_en.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Have been onto s local supplier to try and get some of the NSI Waterfowl Magnum HP BB loads. After a quick talk today the importers have not brought any into the country and are looking into importing some, how true this is I don't know. I will find out soon I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 What 1s have you been using figgy? It's interesting your saying they aren't bringing them down like they used to? Might be that there is a better available load to use? Just a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I believe all serious wildfowlers should get into loading their own. That way you can tailor your loads to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I don't really agree with that, in terms of 3.5" steel I don't think you can get better than Gamebore mammoth magnums, yes you can put less shot weight in and get more speed but they are good enough from the shop. Similarly with RC atomic steel I can get 36g of steel faster but but not by much and I don't think my effort is worth the extra fps I cannot find shop bought 1oz steel as good as my homeloads which is a shame as it's the last thing I really need to reload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Im using Gamebore 3" 36g no1 and Eley Lightning the same 3" 36g 1 shot loads, would like some 3" BB for the times No1 shot aint doing the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Im using Gamebore 3" 36g no1 and Eley Lightning the same 3" 36g 1 shot loads, would like some 3" BB for the times No1 shot aint doing the job. My advice would be Get some shooting lessons or shorten your range Probably BOTH because using the cartridges mentioned if they won't kill them having BB won't make a jot of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I believe all serious wildfowlers should get into loading their own. That way you can tailor your loads to suit. A bit scathing with the serious wildfowlers coment perhaps, But i otherwise agree with this statement. Reloading gives those who chose to do it a real chance of enhanced performance from their ammo, and to use various shot size and performance options just not available comercialy, you can taylor your load both to your shooting situation gun and your requirements exactly, any factory offerings are major compromises, Reloading not only offers the above advantages, but it creates available ammo with no searching either on the net or traveling about looking for a certain shot size or load, you create your own in house to exactly what you want. The woefully inaccuracy in charges of shot shot sizes and the sparse availability of some loads and in some areas make reloading verging on a must for some people. If your not reloading i think considering it would be worthwile option for most and its so easy and straightforward there is no real excuse not to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wasn't being funny, Tony. I just meant that people who frequent the shore on a regular basis can benefit from reloading, not least if you can't get hold of the shot size you're after. Folk who maybe do half a dozen flights a season would probably be ok with factory offerings. On my bench I have steel in sizes T, BBB, BB, 1,2,3,4 and 5. I have hevi shot in size B (supposedly), heavyweight 13 in size 2, and heavyweight 18 in size 7.5. That lot can be worked into numerous different cartridge types to suit what I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 My advice would be Get some shooting lessons or shorten your range Probably BOTH because using the cartridges mentioned if they won't kill them having BB won't make a jot of difference Im just guessing here but im imagining figgy sittuation is dictating what he has to use to be efficient, Local condition bird activity might be thus that everything is on the limit regardless, at times like this you have two options be patient pass off on a lot of shots put the time in and let the oppotunities come ..if they do. Kind of the game im playing at the moment with pinbks. Im there so are they but without fog or some other weather condition to get them down im a spectator full stop end of story. Or opotion two Pick up a bigger gun bigger load etc and reach out to the marginals and let experience and any edge you might have reap...SOME Rewards.. PERHAPs.. 1s i agree should cut it, but maybe other factors are not quite spot on pattern load consistencey performance etc the last two are certainly feasable issues, that completely leaving out opperator error from the equasion. Me i would go more choke get on them up front , but BBs in a 12 is about as big as you can practicaly go and not hit secondary problems pattern potential of bridging and the like. So perhaps BBs are not such a bad idea if things are not quite right and every oppotunity is limit, which im guessing it is in this sittuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wasn't being funny, Tony. I just meant that people who frequent the shore on a regular basis can benefit from reloading, not least if you can't get hold of the shot size you're after. Folk who maybe do half a dozen flights a season would probably be ok with factory offerings. On my bench I have steel in sizes T, BBB, BB, 1,2,3,4 and 5. I have hevi shot in size B (supposedly), heavyweight 13 in size 2, and heavyweight 18 in size 7.5. That lot can be worked into numerous different cartridge types to suit what I want. I understand and your right you need all the options at hand reloading offers this, its not hard to do or expensive but you can gain a lot from both performance and above all practicality and covenience, its all in house no difficulty getting ammo, apart from the powder sittuation recently which is pretty unique generaly components are ok to locate and aquire, even from abroad. In these times when you look at what readily available without you stumble accross something you want its far more practical to reload what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 as you`ve probably guessed, i`m pro reloading.... but, i got to point out its not the be or end all..... here is my reason. you are either going to spend money on powder for speed or premium shot. 40grains or more is virtually un sustainable... if you price breakdown, the price of "some" tungsten shells can be done for £30 a box or more. i`d rather put extra shot in the air than extra hot air, in the air.... (if you see what i mean) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I agree and its why i reload for everything i can, some factory ammo was so good it was well worth the cost, i mean look at the old winchester super double x lead wildfowling ammo, the Australians who worked that load up were no fools they knew what was needed and set about developing the loads properly, and just look at the result> A classic wildfowling load that did the job perfectly, all any reloader can do is coppy that load and be constantly pleased by every variation of that load you concoct. But with steel etc these days its the reloaders that are showing the way, and only the american manufacturers are trying to work anything out further, But flite control wads etc dont cut the same grass as the old Doublex did in lead, and anyhow even if they had some hot wildfowling ammo, out litigation paranoid importers steered by the over cautious CIP guidance would never see us acctualy being able to buy any over here. Reload is what i chose to do everyone else has the right to do as he or she wants good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 My advice would be Get some shooting lessons or shorten your range Probably BOTH because using the cartridges mentioned if they won't kill them having BB won't make a jot of difference Pigeon Watch gold advice. I have already stated some have folded others not, the other lads in our club are seasoned fowlers of many decades experience suffering the same problem. I am not new to this shooting lark. Have brought down many a long range goose with 31/2" BB steel carts. At much shorter distance the ones are struggling when hit with plenty on target. As for not make a jot difference if that were the case thats all that would be available. Each to their own as they say, thanks for your advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Pigeon Watch gold advice. I have already stated some have folded others not, the other lads in our club are seasoned fowlers of many decades experience suffering the same problem. I am not new to this shooting lark. Have brought down many a long range goose with 31/2" BB steel carts. At much shorter distance the ones are struggling when hit with plenty on target. As for not make a jot difference if that were the case thats all that would be available. Each to their own as they say, thanks for your advice. It was NOT a personal Dig or put down. It was advice. With your claim as being experienced would know letting things get in your head can really effect your results. Unless I've read and understood you wrong . Last season 1's in chosen cartridges you was happy ? This season your not ? So what has changed !!!!!! I'm truly interested and was/am trying to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Figgy I chrono tested cartridges, these so far Steel Game 3" 1524fps RC Hyperfast 34g 1463fps Winchester Blindside 1 3/8oz 1406fps RC Atomic 36g 1373fps Eley Lightening Steel 36g 1336fps Gamebore Mam Steel 36g 1312fps Hull Solway Steel 36g 1269fps Mirage Steel 36g 1226fps Hull Solway Mag Steel 34g 1197fps Rem Sportsman Steel 36g As far as I'm concerned speed kills when it comes to steel, you could test the 3" atomics in 1s they are the fastest biggest shot in that bunch. I hope this helps some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wigeon jim Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 That top load at that speed is to fast for CIP regs I think, Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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