MirokuMK70 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Looking at the details emerging from the trial it seems Jo Cox's murderer used a sawn down Weihrauch 22lr rifle. I wonder where he got that, and whether it will have implications for shooting considering that it is/was a sporting firearm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I doubt it. I'd be very surprised if the majority of illegally held firearms weren't sporting guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm more intrigued why he is pleading not guilty to every charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm more intrigued why he is pleading not guilty to every charge. Perhaps, in his own mind, he's not guilty? I'm not taking sides or trying to say anything, just look at it from a different viewpoint. I'll keep my own thoughts to myself for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm more intrigued why he is pleading not guilty to every charge. Probably to get his time in court where he can say whatever he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm more intrigued why he is pleading not guilty to every charge. I'm more intrigued why he's not being referred to as a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Perhaps, in his own mind, he's not guilty? I'm not taking sides or trying to say anything, just look at it from a different viewpoint. I'll keep my own thoughts to myself for the time being. I wouldn't have thought it's even possible to not take a side on this, the scumbag murdered an MP and a mother in broad daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Perhaps, in his own mind, he's not guilty? I'm not taking sides or trying to say anything, just look at it from a different viewpoint. I'll keep my own thoughts to myself for the time being. What are you thoughts ? I don't see how you can say that on such a clear cut case. Guilty and going down without a doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Well, if he is pleading not guilty, could it because he wants to be treated as insane and get an easier ride? David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Perhaps, in his own mind, he's not guilty? I'm not taking sides or trying to say anything, just look at it from a different viewpoint. I'll keep my own thoughts to myself for the time being. You've suggested I look at this from a 'different view point', I'm struggling, can you at least give me a starting point? Probably to get his time in court where he can say whatever he likes. Most likely, but he's not going to be allowed a platform is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Most likely, but he's not going to be allowed a platform is he? He will have to stand up and be questioned, he will be allowed to say whatever he wants to. Any person who commits murder in its most brutal, pre-planned way, must surely be of unsound mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 He will have to stand up and be questioned, he will be allowed to say whatever he wants to. Any person who commits murder in its most brutal, pre-planned way, must surely be of unsound mind! Agreed, but he can't use a political platform as mitigation can he? I know nothing about the court system, surely he'll be told to stfu if he starts a political angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 He will have to stand up and be questioned, he will be allowed to say whatever he wants to. Any person who commits murder in its most brutal, pre-planned way, must surely be of unsound mind! He's certainly not playing with a full deck IMO. I would have assumed that he would already have been professionally assessed, but apparently not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Agreed, but he can't use a political platform as mitigation can he? I know nothing about the court system, surely he'll be told to stfu if he starts a political angle? Oh yes, the judge will be looking for him to start down that line and he will be warned that he will be in contempt if he attemps to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 He might try the classic defence........ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Whibble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 If he was properly "mad" surely he would have had a mental health act assessment by now, although I'm unsure if the judge may place him under the MHA section 37 as a result of the trial ? Perhaps not as "mad" as he pretends to be! I do wonder how many murders go unsolved/mis diagnosed as accidents n all that every year. A good friend in the Police said they sometimes find bodies in the river all beaten up and attribute the damage to being washed down river and hitting rocks. Could someone have dropped them in the river ? Who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Lloyd, he has a history of mental health issues. He has declined to rely on his medical history as part of the defence though. At some point he will be formally assessed as part of the trial. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/jo-cox-murder-accuseds-medical-evidence-will-not-form-part-of-de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustaff Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 length of rope and nearest tree and nothing else can be better but that sounds medieval but some time would be a good deterrant for the scumbags of this day and age too many do gooders and lawyers making mega bucks defending the guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Lloyd, he has a history of mental health issues. He has declined to rely on his medical history as part of the defence though. At some point he will be formally assessed as part of the trial. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/19/jo-cox-murder-accuseds-medical-evidence-will-not-form-part-of-de/ Cheers for the info! I suppose then they will decide whether they will section the guy and put him in a secure placement or decide that he is fit to stand trial and send him to prison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Cheers for the info! I suppose then they will decide whether they will section the guy and put him in a secure placement or decide that he is fit to stand trial and send him to prison! Err. Well, assuming that he is found guilty that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 He did it because he is as mad as a box of frogs, he has a history of mental health issues and seems to be obsessed by different factions.There is no big hidden reason why he has not entered a plea except he is deranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bb Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 You've suggested I look at this from a 'different view point', I'm struggling, can you at least give me a starting point? Most likely, but he's not going to be allowed a platform is he? Keyboard mishap, I didn't mean for you to look at it form a different viewpoint, I meant that I was looking at it from a different viewpoint. I, too, think he's insane but that insanity will mean to him that what he did was right. I DON'T. But in these "enlightened" times we have to allow for mental issues. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Err. Well, assuming that he is found guilty that is LOL! Well IF he is found guilty (it's not a very big IF) I guess it will depends on how unstable he is and whether he is fit to go to prison! I know hospital beds at the moment are under strain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Keyboard mishap, I didn't mean for you to look at it form a different viewpoint, I meant that I was looking at it from a different viewpoint. I, too, think he's insane but that insanity will mean to him that what he did was right. I DON'T. But in these "enlightened" times we have to allow for mental issues. Apparently. Fair point! I still find it fascinating how some people's minds work. I'm certainly seeing some interesting cases recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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