Sussexboy Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 There is a new consultation paper just released on hiking up the fees for club certificates etc. Please share with your clubs and get them to respond. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/582485/170110pn_Firearms_Fees_consultation_FINAL.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Hell they are a massive increase in fees £900 for a club licence which is now £84, thousands of pounds for a museum and section 5 dealer Looks like they want to make the licence pay the full cost of issuing the licence our personal licences will be next in their hit list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Considering that nearly all club members have their own weapons and certificates this is completely unjustified. I will send to my club and to one of the son in laws to send to his club. They will probably know but sometimes this stuff slips past and isn't known about until it is too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 True all members may have their own guns and certificate but without the club licence that allows non certificate probationary members to shoot how would a club continue to recruite new members? The increases are massive was not the original idea behind licences that they benefit society as a whole and hence part of costs should be met by all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Unless I am misunderstanding the document it is just as well expanding ammo section 5 is about to go back to section 1 as a licence for a courier/carrier to transport it is to go from free to £1220.00 The document looks to say the main users of section 5 weapons are police and military so is it not logical if you make the supply chain have to pay these high fees to be able to supply the police and military then all they will do is pass the costs on to the police and military I.e, the tax payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Unless I am misunderstanding the document it is just as well expanding ammo section 5 is about to go back to section 1 as a licence for a courier/carrier to transport it is to go from free to £1220.00 The document looks to say the main users of section 5 weapons are police and military so is it not logical if you make the supply chain have to pay these high fees to be able to supply the police and military then all they will do is pass the costs on to the police and military I.e, the tax payers. Police and Military use will not change. Many dealers would probably stop though. Met a great bloke once who was a RFD out of his home and just loved to work on shotguns, did some very cheap bargains. Things like that will probably stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 I'm not sure that what I meant got across. Quote >> "Considering that nearly all club members have their own weapons and certificates this is completely unjustified". What I meant was that nearly all members have gone through the licencing process so there is no great work to process loads of probationary shooters who have no certificate or the odd member that doesn't have their own gun. In my club there are virtually no shooters that havent got a cert and their own gun so the club inspection and cert cant take much work to process because everyone has a cert and is within the system already. If this goes through I can see the majority of clubs collapsing under the financial burden and club memberships and subs going out of bounds. I shoot 22 target and cf sporting along with game and clays. All are linked but I can see the majority of target club shooters packing it in with all sorts of ramifications for gun ownership in general and shops going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 I'm not sure that what I meant got across. Quote >> "Considering that nearly all club members have their own weapons and certificates this is completely unjustified". What I meant was that nearly all members have gone through the licencing process so there is no great work to process loads of probationary shooters who have no certificate or the odd member that doesn't have their own gun. In my club there are virtually no shooters that havent got a cert and their own gun so the club inspection and cert cant take much work to process because everyone has a cert and is within the system already. If this goes through I can see the majority of clubs collapsing under the financial burden and club memberships and subs going out of bounds. I shoot 22 target and cf sporting along with game and clays. All are linked but I can see the majority of target club shooters packing it in with all sorts of ramifications for gun ownership in general and shops going down. How would the police be able to "process" unlicensed probationary shooters when they don't know who they are? As a member of a "club" am I considered a lawful occupier of the shoot land so I can let a non-licence holder shoot whilst in my company? If yes than what's the benefit of a club paying for a licence other than the ability to sell cartridges to non-licence holders. {'m sure I must wrong as my thinking seems too straight forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 A club FAC is free. This relates to Home office approval which is currently £84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 A club FAC is free. This relates to Home office approval which is currently £84. Yes, the club FAC is free but only to Home Office approved clubs who've paid the current £84. You can't have one without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 This could be part of the "salami tactic" in order to phase out gun ownership in the UK. iMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 As the checks are made in the interests of public safety then the public purse should meet most of the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 the hike is nothing to do with public shafting its all to do with g4s (Mrs Mays husbands company) wanting to see it a big fat profit out of firearm's licencing before they take it on .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Dear all, please see here: https://basc.org.uk/blog/press-releases/press-releases-press-releases/basc-criticises-home-offices-proposed-hike-fees/ We’ve contacted all other organisations to create a united front, put the subject on the agenda for the next BSSC meeting and will be briefing MPs and taking this up with the Home Office. David Edited January 17, 2017 by David BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thanks David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) other organisations have details on their sited but as in all things who actually reads these things or even thinks to go through all of the blurb to find / see this and how many actually do something about it? I found this link on the NSRA site to respond to the consultation. Part of it is a response section. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/583035/170110pn_Firearms_Fees_consultation_FINAL.pdf I urge everyone to try to read this and follow the link. This is a deadly threat to shooting because the vast majority of shooting clubs just do not have the ability to pay these sort of fees and if the membership are told that the anual fee to be a club member just went up Probably £25 >> £50 on top of what they pay + shooting costs now to cover it, the majority of people will just pack up shooting. This is death by slow cuts. next on the list will be clay shooting grounds that will be priced out of existance. Edited January 18, 2017 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) This is a deadly threat to shooting because the vast majority of shooting clubs just do not have the ability to pay these sort of fees and if the membership are told that the anual fee to be a club member just went up Probably £25 >> £50 on top of what they pay + shooting costs now to cover it While I agree it's a horrendous increase working it out for our club it would mean an increase in the annual membership of less than £2 per member, nowhere near £25-£50. Increase from £84 to £900 = £816 Spread over life of certificate (6yrs) = £136per year £136 divided by the number of members (in our case around 80) = £1.70 per member per year Edited January 18, 2017 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexboy Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 We are lucky in the we have circa 300 members in our club, so any price impact will not be significant. However I do feel for some of the smaller clubs and start ups, it is yet another hurdle to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 We are lucky in the we have circa 300 members in our club, so any price impact will not be significant. However I do feel for some of the smaller clubs and start ups, it is yet another hurdle to deal with. If you are a member down that way of the Sussex club which has pistols then you may want to read the the document very carefully because your section 5 excemption may be going from free to several thousand pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I apologise if this has been shared already but here is a government website petition against the proposals to compliment the consultation responses. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178064 More signatures the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I signed, my club is already aware of the proposals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Signed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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