Here we go again? Plastic.

[oowee]

1 hour ago, panoma1 said:

Guns on their own don't kill people, people kill people.........do you stop people killing people, by controlling/banning guns?........equally plastic cannot on its own pollute the sea, people pollute the sea!.......introducing an extra levy on plastic is missing the target!..........placing a financial levy onto the pollutant, costs everyone........whilst ignoring the actual polluter

Most responsible people do not drop litter, so why should we all pay for the actions of the few??...............Yep! its easier to penalise everyone than catch and penalise the offenders!

I am sure that the vast majority of shooters are responsible but regardless of taking home your empties they are not recyclable. Surely we should look at all plastic packaging and where we can change then why not do it. One small step maybe but they add up. It's not everyone else, we are all part of the problem.

[das]

Remember the old days? Some will when pop and milk were in glass bottles. The milkman collected his empties
and you received the deposit you had paid on the bottle of pop when you returned it.

Simple, no waste, less resources in manufacture and no **** in the ocean destroying the creatures living there.

Just seems to me that a large proportion of the population are just taking advantage of lazy way.

[HDAV]

11 minutes ago, oowee said:

I am sure that the vast majority of shooters are responsible but regardless of taking home your empties they are not recyclable. Surely we should look at all plastic packaging and where we can change then why not do it. One small step maybe but they add up. It's not everyone else, we are all part of the problem.

Empty carts are recyclable there is a firm that specialise in just that!

 

http://www.rcbaker.co.uk/services?title=recycling-spent-shotgun-cartridges

 

hoping plant fibre based wads which degrade in a few months of uv and air are a success 

 

[oowee]

This looks good but i cant see my Local Authority using it or me being able to get stuff there. I thought we were going to see some fully degradable wads (wool ?).

[panoma1]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

I am sure that the vast majority of shooters are responsible but regardless of taking home your empties they are not recyclable. Surely we should look at all plastic packaging and where we can change then why not do it. One small step maybe but they add up. It's not everyone else, we are all part of the problem.

Changing the packaging would perhaps be the way forward....the consumer doesn't ask for their purchase to be packaged in non biodegradable plastic packaging, so why should the consumer pay a levy on something they don't ask for or want? If it is impossible/impractical for a business to supply certain goods without plastic packaging, surely that business should pay any "pollution tax" levied?......but I suppose they would pass this "tax" on to the consumer anyway in inflated prices?..........One way or another someone will have their hands further into the public's pockets!

[scotslad]

While a few of u mentioned the refund on glass bottles, u used to still get the on irn bru bottles until as recently as  2 years ago.

No idea why they stopped, amazing the cash u'd get having a tidy up round the yard.

Was 30p a bottle, considering was only £1-1.25 fo a litre bottle made it quite cheap juice.

 

Was actually a photo in todays sun with some tourist on the beach with heaps of plastic rubbish knee to waist high, was some beach in Bali

[HDAV]

Ocean currents tend to take the plastic away from Europe and it gathers in huge islands elsewhere in the world and washes up on beaches elsewhere just like carbon and other issues it’s a global problem not a local one so what we do is important but getting the rest of the planet to do likewise is the issue.......

 

not that hat we are doing the best or are a real leading light through history......

[silver pigeon69]

37 minutes ago, scotslad said:

While a few of u mentioned the refund on glass bottles, u used to still get the on irn bru bottles until as recently as  2 years ago.

No idea why they stopped, amazing the cash u'd get having a tidy up round the yard.

Was 30p a bottle, considering was only £1-1.25 fo a litre bottle made it quite cheap juice.

 

Was actually a photo in todays sun with some tourist on the beach with heaps of plastic rubbish knee to waist high, was some beach in Bali

Funny you should mention Bali, i was just about to say when i was in Indonesia a few years ago, the amount of plastic bottles on some of the beaches was unbelieveable. There were so many that you couldnt walk on them. The ex-pats and some of the locals were aware of the problems and had started numerous clean up/recycling projects.

There was in interesting project useing 2ltr coke bottles, filled with some chemical/liquid? Pushed through holes in the roof which caused the sun/daylight to make them glow and illuminate the room.

There was also one where the bottles were cut in half and the neck ends placed side by side in a window opening, neck facing in. As the wind blew, the bottles caused it to restrict (venturi) and give a cooling effect! Free aircon!!

 

[Jay1234]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Its interesting you say that because it flies completely in the face of what my mate Gordon (not our Gordon on here) said recently. After he came out of the Navy he worked for two years on the cruise liners as an engineering officer. He worked on one of the really big names cruising fairly long haul cruises. Admittedly it was about 30 years ago.

About 3am every morning , when the passengers were asleep, absolutely everything went over the back of the boat. All the meat, fish etc cooked every day was kept in massive freezers packed floor to ceiling in polystyrene stacking cases and hundreds of empty ones went over the side every night, plus all the cabin waste, shampoo bottles razors etc , bar waste, bottles (many plastic) etc. His was only one of many ship working in that same part of the world  

Around the pacific rim there are at least five or six countries who still dump all their waste into the sea where the current takes it away. 

If you go back twenty or more years ago it would have been sixty, including London who  did the same dumping barges of waste and sewage into the North sea, so lets not get smug   

What company was that? 

[krugerandsmith]

11 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Its interesting you say that because it flies completely in the face of what my mate Gordon (not our Gordon on here) said recently. After he came out of the Navy he worked for two years on the cruise liners as an engineering officer. He worked on one of the really big names cruising fairly long haul cruises. Admittedly it was about 30 years ago.

About 3am every morning , when the passengers were asleep, absolutely everything went over the back of the boat. All the meat, fish etc cooked every day was kept in massive freezers packed floor to ceiling in polystyrene stacking cases and hundreds of empty ones went over the side every night, plus all the cabin waste, shampoo bottles razors etc , bar waste, bottles (many plastic) etc. His was only one of many ship working in that same part of the world  

Around the pacific rim there are at least five or six countries who still dump all their waste into the sea where the current takes it away. 

If you go back twenty or more years ago it would have been sixty, including London who  did the same dumping barges of waste and sewage into the North sea, so lets not get smug   

Having worked offshore for most of my working life I can assure you what you have stated is absolutely true....  Good God as far as rules and regulations are concerned they cannot stop Fly tipping onshore never mind offshore.

[bruno22rf]

Having built plastic recycling machinery for over 5 years I can say that recycling waste plastic is not easy - there are so many different types of plastic and they do not like being mixed. Most machines melt the waste material then convert it into pellets that are then used to make lower grade items such as waste bags but it only takes a small amount of, say, Surlyn to mess things up, companies that produce waste bags etc will not tolerate anything but the purest pellets due to down time if mixed plastics are found in a batch - it's far cheaper to buy the pure product from Poland.