verminer Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Hi all, my shooting mate has a .22250 rifle, (CZ target rifle and it is too heavy to carry around) and he would like another calibre for fox culling he would like to know what you guys think as he is torn between the 17 remmington or the 220 swift. He will be reloading his ammo. thanks for your help Ps i did a search and could not find any other links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 17 rem is no good in the wind, especially at a decent range. 220 swift better option or get a lighter 22-250 (better rifle all together) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 What would he use the 22-250 for if he had a fox rifle just targets? I'd get a nice 22-250 in sporter style sell the gun he has unless he's very much attached and buy a .223 or .243 for range work or some other wonder calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 17 Rem any day. The swift is so close to the 22/250, I just don't see the point. 17 rem allows you to watch the bullet strike as recoil is so light. With the correct bullet, it's a fantastic calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Neither, 243Win for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 .223 is the only job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Lots of opinions here from people I strongly suspect have never owned a 17 Rem or a 220 Swift.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGun1 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hi!! don't have a .17 or .222 or .22-250 but I do have a .223, and think it's superb at what I want it to do!! and rabbits don't like it much!! ! nor do foxes!!! but I think it's great! horses for courses and all that stuff!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Verminer's mate is interested in a swift or 17. Why, oh why, bother discussing the 223, no matter how good you think they are? Sorry if I sound grumpy, but no other calibres were mentioned. If verminer wanted to know about 223, he'd have asked, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 In that case sir, out the 2, the .220 Swift is good. I have shot both over a 8 year period. All the best, Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Verminer's mate is interested in a swift or 17. Why, oh why, bother discussing the 223, no matter how good you think they are? Sorry if I sound grumpy, but no other calibres were mentioned. If verminer wanted to know about 223, he'd have asked, surely? Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Verminer's mate is interested in a swift or 17. Why, oh why, bother discussing the 223, no matter how good you think they are? Sorry if I sound grumpy, but no other calibres were mentioned. If verminer wanted to know about 223, he'd have asked, surely? Just offering advice surely everyone is entitled to there own opinion I have used the swift and 17rem with lamping mates of mine over the years and seen hundreds of foxes killed with both but when it comes down to it there is not one of them foxes i have seen getting shot that the .223 was not capable of nailing.Over here [ireland]swift ammo and 17rem ammo is nearly €40 for 20 rounds where as the .223 ammo is priced €16 for sako ammo down to €9 for american eagle depends what your getting.Is it not the same over in England when you convert the currency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornton Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 A USA opinion. I have used the 220 Swift a great deal and I would use a large case 17 for shooting foxes especially if the hides are to be saved. The lighter .22 slugs now available change that somewhat but I still would go with the 17. The 17 C is one that I have never owned but have shot. They are quieter with much reduced chance of ricochet with normally found loads. 17 centerfire is a solid 300 yard rifle. One may be my next purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verminer Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Thanks all for the advice i will pass it all on to my mate, who i believe really wants the 17 remmy as thats all he goes on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkamark Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Thanks all for the advice i will pass it all on to my mate, who i believe really wants the 17 remmy as thats all he goes on about. He wont go to far wrong with the 17 rem for mr fox but the swift would be the best for pure power put seems like the chaps mind is already made up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Thanks all for the advice i will pass it all on to my mate, who i believe really wants the 17 remmy as thats all he goes on about. Did your mate get one in the end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Lots of opinions here from people I strongly suspect have never owned a 17 Rem or a 220 Swift.... I have not but I get the difference The swift is about equal to the 22-250 which effectively shoved it into a corner The 17 Rem is capable of doing well in a far lighter to carry rifle 223. In a smaller lighter gun will likely do what the guy wants as a walking gun in a short action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 I have not but I get the difference The swift is about equal to the 22-250 which effectively shoved it into a corner The 17 Rem is capable of doing well in a far lighter to carry rifle 223. In a smaller lighter gun will likely do what the guy wants as a walking gun in a short action Bit puzzled here. Why would a 17rem be lighter? After all my friends wasn't. The barrel was in effect a bull barrel with that tiny hole drilled in it! Also, why would a swift be heavy, or have to be heavy? :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 If he is reloading, then something to consider is that there is some specialty 17 cal equipment that he will need to get. Powder funnel and thrower tip, collet bullet puller and insert (kinetic hammers and 17's aren't friends),flash hole cleaner and brush, etc. Also, 17 cal bullets are trickier to load if you have fat fingers. That said, the 17's are sweet to shoot in all their guises. Light bullets mean no recoil. Th swift has a lot more powder volume and 'boom' when unmoderated plus a lot more recoil, but I would guess a lot of both is helped with a mod (I have only shot it un modded). I understand wanting a new gun, but ballistically he won't gain much over the 250. I would get another one in a light weight since he is loading for it already. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steyrman Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 +1 for the .17 being an owner of one can't comment on the Swift as i have never owned or used one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 2007 Out of those two the 17 remington hands down fast flat accurate i have never owned one but been around one a tikka 595, this rifle was fairly standaard bedding and bit of trigger adjustment and it was a keeper with the worked up reloads used in it. If there ever was a time i had to get rid of my current .22 250 for a smaller gun i would get a 17remington there is no doubt in my mind about this whatsoever, a fantastic callibre and the only 17 callibere i would ever consider owning. Its not a throat eroder its not a load sensitive round generaly it just gets the job done in a thourghly efficient way a perfect varmint round. Now as for the 220 swift again not owned a swift but used one even reloaded the ammo for it until the mate got his own gear. Rifle was a ruger 77 rifle had again a bedding job and a canjar trigger , and the rifle was a 0.73 inch gun at 100 yards with a 50 grain sierra varminter bullet, this was that guns best load put a 55 grain gameking in it and it was 1 1/2 inch gun it was like it seemed to know what it liked and that was the end of it change anything even slightly and it went into spasum . I was just not impressed by any aspect ofd that rifle and i do own a ruger 77 and am a big fan of these rifles generaly, it was the fact it was a swift it was just a dissapointmernt. At that time i had a 22/243 middlestead in a remington 700 action, that was no way as fussy about loads as the swift so you could not blame it on the vellocity it was just that gun. Now all rifles are differernt we know that, but the swift just never showed any promise to me, and i think there are better .22s out there like the middlestead and the .22250. But of those two the 17 remington is my favourate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 2007 Out of those two the 17 remington hands down fast flat accurate i have never owned one but been around one a tikka 595, this rifle was fairly standaard bedding and bit of trigger adjustment and it was a keeper with the worked up reloads used in it. If there ever was a time i had to get rid of my current .22 250 for a smaller gun i would get a 17remington there is no doubt in my mind about this whatsoever, a fantastic callibre and the only 17 callibere i would ever consider owning. Its not a throat eroder its not a load sensitive round generaly it just gets the job done in a thourghly efficient way a perfect varmint round. Now as for the 220 swift again not owned a swift but used one even reloaded the ammo for it until the mate got his own gear. Rifle was a ruger 77 rifle had again a bedding job and a canjar trigger , and the rifle was a 0.73 inch gun at 100 yards with a 50 grain sierra varminter bullet, this was that guns best load put a 55 grain gameking in it and it was 1 1/2 inch gun it was like it seemed to know what it liked and that was the end of it change anything even slightly and it went into spasum . I was just not impressed by any aspect ofd that rifle and i do own a ruger 77 and am a big fan of these rifles generaly, it was the fact it was a swift it was just a dissapointmernt. At that time i had a 22/243 middlestead in a remington 700 action, that was no way as fussy about loads as the swift so you could not blame it on the vellocity it was just that gun. Now all rifles are differernt we know that, but the swift just never showed any promise to me, and i think there are better .22s out there like the middlestead and the .22250. But of those two the 17 remington is my favourate. 2007 I know, I was curious, and ,,,,, well not sure I am actually waiting for one to be built at the moment. should be with me end of this month. And I must say I am looking forward to some nice summer evenings out with it. I have already done a bit of load development that eager.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 2007 I know, I was curious, and ,,,,, well not sure I am actually waiting for one to be built at the moment. should be with me end of this month. And I must say I am looking forward to some nice summer evenings out with it. I have already done a bit of load development that eager.. I for one would be interested in seing how accurate it is for you, i like the 17 remington a lot its overshadowed by the more ubiquitous .22 offerings but its no less capable as a varmint round, in fact i would rather have one than a loby .223 for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 As Mr. Sako said - the strike can be seen due to the minimal recoil even at moderately high scope mags. Mine very rarely gets any use because someone else does the foxing local to me but is bang on tight groups every time it gets an outing. They are a bit fiddly to get Varget through the funnel because it quite a bulky powder but it's spot on for me and I would not want to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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