why depression is a socioeconomic disease

[Hamster]

This is an interesting watch, the most unequal societies go on to contain the most mentally anguished : 

 

[Mungler]

I get the ‘socio’ bit but don’t see where the ‘economic’ comes from in the baboon study (and from where all the comparables are drawn).

The baboon at the bottom of the pile in a troop will get the stuffing physically knocked out of him everyday and there’s your answer for why he might be showing signs of stress and submission.

Historically people have been significantly poorer than they are today and certainly more down trodden by a limited few - think of slavery, gender inequality, factories and feudal times.

In short, that clip is a load of nonsense to ‘big up’ Denmark because Denmark is a really groovy country with the highest taxation rate to prop up all the groovy social stuff they do.

Edited March 2, 2018 by Mungler

[TIGHTCHOKE]

No society is equal!

[grrclark]

Hmmmm, an interesting take on things for sure, but I don't agree with the headline statement.

There can certainly be socioeconomic pressures that may be a factor, even a causal factor, for some cases of depression, but the headline statement is way too simplistic and at face value at least appears to be an answer to suit a particular argument.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Agenda filling stuff!

[Mungler]

I chuckled at the suggestion that the Amish have the lowest level of depression because of their ‘flat society’, entirely glossing over their refusal to accept or adopt modern medical practices (and the likelihood that something as human as depression ought be cured with prayer and more worship) and the fact that depression is lower in fundamental religious groups - why be depressed when everything is part of god’s plan and you are absolutely and fundamentally certain that you are on the right side of the Big Fella upstairs?

 

 

[Wb123]

Some societies seem less driven by wealth inequality than others. A colleague who worked in Sweden for a year hated the place as he felt unvalued taking home close to the same as those not working or doing much less skilled work. The locals however felt a degree of pride in supporting their countrymen out of all proportion to that I or I suspect most British people would have felt given the price. 

 

Earning more than other people unfortunately is a large part of what makes people feel good, it drives people to work harder and more efficiently but comes at a price paid by those unable or unwilling to compete. 

 

I dont think it is wise to blame wealth inequality for all ills, but a balance has to be struck. For me when I take home less than half my pay for a shift I start strongly looking at not doing the work and spending the time doing something more enjoyable. With marginal rates able to exceed 100% in the U.K. once people start losing certain benefits we need a rethink of how we encourage productivity both at the lower and middle ends of the earning spectrum. 

[old man]

I believe the latest idea from silicon valley is to pay everyone a living wage to stay at home? 

Computers and robots will do it all as no manual work required?

[Lord O War]

Ah the old basic income for all. Fab idea until someone does the sums and it all falls apart. I think Switzerland had a referendum on this and something like 75% said no because the sums don't work. Plus who wants to go to work when the state will give you 20K a year to stay at home?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Ala;       "Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others!"

[Lloyd90]

On 02/03/2018 at 20:46, Wb123 said:

 For me when I take home less than half my pay for a shift I start strongly looking at not doing the work and spending the time doing something more enjoyable. With marginal rates able to exceed 100% in the U.K. once people start losing certain benefits we need a rethink of how we encourage productivity both at the lower and middle ends of the earning spectrum. 

I’ve had the same issue mate - before I graduated I’d work as much as 80 hours a week sometimes working in kids homes - Id have times of little work etc so would would as much as possible - I’d be going home and falling asleep sat on the sofa lol 

 

now ive graduated and have a full time job I pay base rate tax on that and student loan repayments. 

 

Thwy still ask me to do the odd overtime shift and help them out at the kids homes - I pay 20% - 12% NI and 9% student loan - 41% deductions. 

I’m not saying I shouldn’t pay it. But it gets to the point that you just don’t bother doing the extra shift. The cost/reward which is how much stress and how tired your going to be VS the financial return is no longer that good and I’d rather have the time off and go shooting or do something else fun. 

[Scully]

As always it's not as simple or as black and white as the link suggests. There are many types of depression, but it is an illness and can effect all, regardless of wealth or social standing, and can be brought on for a multitude or reasons. 

 

[yod dropper]

1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said:

But it gets to the point that you just don’t bother doing the extra shift. The cost/reward which is how much stress and how tired your going to be VS the financial return is no longer that good and I’d rather have the time off and go shooting or do something else fun. 

And here falls Hamster's socialist utopia.

[JohnfromUK]

40 minutes ago, Scully said:

 it is an illness and can effect all, regardless of wealth or social standing, and can be brought on for a multitude or reasons. 

 

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