Swedens non existent problem

[besty57]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Youre right, it doesnt prove anything.
The gentleman wanted to sit down, so he intimidated the women until they moved, maybe race wasnt an issue ?

Now if had been white, and the women 'of colour' , that would clearly be a racial motivated hate crime, would it not ?
You could possibly see the double standards involved here ?

But at the end of the day, this thread isnt about that, its about the LIE that Sweden did NOT have a migrant violent crime issue.
An issue that is becoming difficult to keep under wraps, while they are lobbing grenades at each other on the street.

Im most certainly not gloating about anything.
I think its a tragedy that a country like Sweden are having these issues, and all because they tried to do some good.
But yes I do blame the left wing press and left wing politicians, because not only are they in denial about the migrant problem, they LIE about it.
They lied about the Cologne sex attacks, they lied about Sweden, and they are lying about the scale of the ongoing illegal migrants coming from Libya, and Turkey.
The fact they are not reporting it anymore, does not mean its stopped, which someone somewhere is trying to make you believe.

If its not curbed, you will have to get used to it, whether you like it or not.

Well said that man,

[Gordon R]

Yet another nod for Rewulf. People can bury their head in the sand, but it will get a whole lot worse.

[henry d]

22 hours ago, saddler said:

It proves how integrated these "new Swedes" have become & how well they respect the population that have given them a safe haven away from the war zones and regimes of terror from which they've fled.
I think it is good that they're allowed to act this way, it's a new freedom for them...imagine if a Westerner similarly disrespected people while in an Islamic country? Just because THAT would be treated harshly means that the Swedes in the clip were right to allow this man his right to have a "BenElton", and his irritation at the lack of respect the two elderly women showed by not giving up their seats to allow him to become rested after a hard day ******* goats

 

It proves nothing of the sort! We have no idea where it comes from, no idea what happened previously, there is also a question as to why a french person is posting this to youtube. When you check out youtuber that posted it, youtube dans le monde, they have no content??? The only other youtuber posting this appears to be a white supremacist, go figure!

Most of what you say above is either made up in your head or you have proof for so put up or shut up.

 

[Rewulf]

13 minutes ago, henry d said:

It proves nothing of the sort! We have no idea where it comes from, no idea what happened previously, there is also a question as to why a french person is posting this to youtube. When you check out youtuber that posted it, youtube dans le monde, they have no content??? The only other youtuber posting this appears to be a white supremacist, go figure!

Most of what you say above is either made up in your head or you have proof for so put up or shut up.

 

The Youtube dans le monde channel has 4200 subscribers, and lots of content, you need to click on 'videos'

As I said, its nothing to do with the thread really, but if you want to make it a white supremacist video, then I would expect nothing else from you 

You saying that people have to prove the background and circumstances of linked content is bewildering.
If you post a link to say, a newspaper article, should we ask you to prove its not 'fake news' ?
Likewise ,should we ask you to prove it when you comment ?
 

 

[henry d]

Merci beaucoup, didn`t see the tabs

Why bewildering, surely onus of proof is on the person who posted the link otherwise why post a link? he then wrote a whole screed about what he thought was going on with no evidence to support it from the video.

If I post a link be assured I would have researched it first

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, henry d said:

Merci beaucoup, didn`t see the tabs

Why bewildering, surely onus of proof is on the person who posted the link otherwise why post a link? he then wrote a whole screed about what he thought was going on with no evidence to support it from the video.

If I post a link be assured I would have researched it first

How can you research a link, and be sure that its a true representation ?
The answer is , use a little common sense.
There is nothing to suggest that the bus/ tram attack IS racially motivated, but there is nothing to suggest its NOT either.

Try this one 

Again ,its about the denial of the problem.
Make of that what you will.

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

How can you research a link, and be sure that its a true representation ?
The answer is , use a little common sense.
There is nothing to suggest that the bus/ tram attack IS racially motivated, but there is nothing to suggest its NOT either.

Try this one 

Again ,its about the denial of the problem.
Make of that what you will.

Looks like a case of fake news to me, obviously they are all paid actors.

It's a bit hard to deny, it there on video plain to see(although some will still try and say that it is ACTUAL fake news)

Maybe they should erect a sign saying no locals or news crews,  then they may get condemned

Edited March 7, 2018 by Newbie to this

[12gauge82]

I don't understand why people bring race into these events, it seems clear to me, if you allow people into a predominantly peaceul country, from country's where life is cheap and atrocities happen on a regular occurrence, why are people suprised when you get a large percentage of immgrants who continue that behaviour in their new host country, reverse the roles and most Brits for instance if moved to isis controlled parts of Afghanistan wouldn't overnight decide to become bloodthirsty murders, it's a simple case of upbringing and social norms, allow any old tom, **** and Harry in from country's where murder, rape, violence and attrocitys are a normarl part of life your going to get some very unsavoury individuals arrive, that's certainly not to say all of them but a lot higher proportion than the local populist, that is what Sweden in my opinion is now unfortunately finding out.

Edited March 7, 2018 by 12gauge82

[old man]

On 07/03/2018 at 20:32, 12gauge82 said:

I don't understand why people bring race into these events, it seems clear to me, if you allow people into a predominantly peaceul country, from country's where life is cheap and atrocities happen on a regular occurrence, why are people suprised when you get a large percentage of immgrants who continue that behaviour in their new host country, reverse the roles and most Brits for instance if moved to isis controlled parts of Afghanistan wouldn't overnight decide to become bloodthirsty murders, it's a simple case of upbringing and social norms, allow any old tom, **** and Harry in from country's where murder, rape, violence and attrocitys are a normarl part of life your going to get some very unsavoury individuals arrive, that's certainly not to say all of them but a lot higher proportion than the local populist, that is what Sweden in my opinion is now unfortunately finding out.

Sadly have to agree about unsavoury individuals.

Fwiw, here, a recent release here indicated a 30% increase in violent crimes over a 12 month period?

Watching a Police interceptor programme I was struck by the extreme levels of violence that the perpetrators seemed happy to dish out. This left me with the impression of "why would anyone continue to do that job?" Some sentences must have been so poor as to be omitted.

Even more of a shock was the sentencing response of the courts when these violent individuals were put before them, derisory doesn't cover it. Someone, somewhere has completely derailed the whole system, I wonder why? To what end? Certainly not to serve and protect the plebs?

Still trying to work out who benefits from this approach, not the Police or us that's for sure?

 

 

Edited March 9, 2018 by old man

[Westward]

Despite all the squealing from the liberal elitists and champagne socialists - gleefully reported by the BBC & Channel 4 - that Farage and others are racists, it's really not about race. It's about how can we expect integrate enormous numbers of people coming from societies where there's no rule of law, where women are regarded as chattels and simply there to serve men and produce lots of children and where there is no identifiable form of social or family cohesion. The media and the police may be limiting or even suppressing coverage of crimes committed by immigrants but people will almost always bring their habits - good or bad - with them when they migrate.

Simply extending the hand of welcome is laudable but very naive and misses the fact that unrestricted immigration causes big problems even from civilised European countries and is much, much more problematic when huge numbers of illegal migrants, mostly young men from backward societies, arrive in boatloads.

There isn't much on the news about the unceasing flow of migrants but as far as I can tell there aren't any Syrians to be seen

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Westward said:

Despite all the squealing from the liberal elitists and champagne socialists - gleefully reported by the BBC & Channel 4 - that Farage and others are racists, it's really not about race. It's about how can we expect integrate enormous numbers of people coming from societies where there's no rule of law, where women are regarded as chattels and simply there to serve men and produce lots of children and where there is no identifiable form of social or family cohesion. The media and the police may be limiting or even suppressing coverage of crimes committed by immigrants but people will almost always bring their habits - good or bad - with them when they migrate.

Simply extending the hand of welcome is laudable but very naive and misses the fact that unrestricted immigration causes big problems even from civilised European countries and is much, much more problematic when huge numbers of illegal migrants, mostly young men from backward societies, arrive in boatloads.

There isn't much on the news about the unceasing flow of migrants but as far as I can tell there aren't any Syrians to be seen

+1

The issue isnt about what colour they are, they could look just the same as us, but they come from a culture where hard work = prosperity is not practiced as a norm.
The ridiculous notion that, they are going to move from, for example Somalia to Sweden, learn Swedish , then swiftly take their place among the workforce is total ,utter madness.
Many are barely literate, have no formal education beside madrassa style Islamic teachings, and come from a culture where the women work, and the men 'socialise'
Dont get me wrong, some will genuinely want to integrate and better themselves, some have no intention whatsoever.
All thats happening, is Sweden is adding to its social problems, financially and criminally.
Then in 20 years you can double or triple the number of benefit claimants, as they have children and import relatives, and thats IF they stop bringing more migrants in right now.

The liberal 'plan' to ensure the pensions are paid by all these new arrivals income tax money, is the one of the biggest fallacies this century.
All its doing is compounding the problem, with social cohesion decaying before their eyes.

 

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Westward said:

..... it's really not about race. It's about how can we expect integrate enormous numbers of people coming from societies where there's no rule of law, where women are regarded as chattels and simply there to serve men and produce lots of children and where there is no identifiable form of social or family cohesion. The media and the police may be limiting or even suppressing coverage of crimes committed by immigrants but people will almost always bring their habits - good or bad - with them when they migrate....

This seems to be a common thread on topics like this, but is it true? (This isn`t a pop at you Mr. Westward, just you put it better than most)

I know an Iraqi, I knew him shortly after he arrived in this country in the early 70`s, he married my cousin a few years later. His wife is not a chattel, nor do they have lots of kids and both were well educated. There is a large extended family on both countries, but my great gran was the most productive at 12 (surviving infancy) children. So what made him so different to the generalisation above and in other media? What made all the other races who made GB their home conform, generally and without denying their distinctiveness, over the past 70 or so years?

Born evil? Bred evil? Made evil?

[henry d]

On 07/03/2018 at 18:06, Rewulf said:

How can you research a link, and be sure that its a true representation ?
The answer is , use a little common sense.
There is nothing to suggest that the bus/ tram attack IS racially motivated, but there is nothing to suggest its NOT either.

Try this one 

Again ,its about the denial of the problem.
Make of that what you will.

OK, took me all of 10 minutes to research it. Here are a few things that refute what was put in the Ozzie video above.

Wiki link to no-go zones

They`re all rapists...not

It`s all those refugee men doing the crim stuff

More, "Don`t go there it`s dangerous!!!" tosh

 

And remember don`t believe everything someone tells you, go out and try checking stuff

Edited March 9, 2018 by henry d
cos I needed to

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, henry d said:

This seems to be a common thread on topics like this, but is it true? (This isn`t a pop at you Mr. Westward, just you put it better than most)

I know an Iraqi, I knew him shortly after he arrived in this country in the early 70`s, he married my cousin a few years later. His wife is not a chattel, nor do they have lots of kids and both were well educated. There is a large extended family on both countries, but my great gran was the most productive at 12 (surviving infancy) children. So what made him so different to the generalisation above and in other media? What made all the other races who made GB their home conform, generally and without denying their distinctiveness, over the past 70 or so years?

Born evil? Bred evil? Made evil?

Who said anything about migrants being evil ?

Its more opportunistic these days, and in many cases ,a culture clash, that when there is a problem between migrants and indigenous people, the liberals pander to the migrants, rather than tell them to behave like we do, tell the indigenous to let them get on with it, as they have 'rights'
Thus ignoring the rights of the people who have lived here for generations.

Your relative, as you state ,is educated, I expect he has had a good , productive life in this country, for which he, and the country are grateful.
If you cant see the difference between him, and the people waiting in tents at Calais, then I cant help you.

[Westward]

The thing is Henry that before 2003, Iraq, despite Saddam and his enforcers, had health care, running water, some semblance of government, education and a commercial sector. Educated and cultured Iraqis are not uncommon, similarly for Syrians or Iranians and many can and do adapt to life in a country such as ours. My point is that there are numerous nations where those things don't exist to any extent and where the majority of the population fit Rewulf's description. The majority of the migrants these days seem to emanate from such countries.

[henry d]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Who said anything about migrants being evil ?

Its more opportunistic these days, and in many cases ,a culture clash, that when there is a problem between migrants and indigenous people, the liberals pander to the migrants, rather than tell them to behave like we do, tell the indigenous to let them get on with it, as they have 'rights'
Thus ignoring the rights of the people who have lived here for generations.

Your relative, as you state ,is educated, I expect he has had a good , productive life in this country, for which he, and the country are grateful.
If you cant see the difference between him, and the people waiting in tents at Calais, then I cant help you.

No, he lived at home, Iraq, from the mid 70`s onward and most of the time we bombed the hell out of them before getting himself and his family, including my aunt to safety in the UK via Syria etc, so pretty much like many of those at Calais.

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, henry d said:

OK, took me all of 10 minutes to research it. Here are a few things that refute what was put in the Ozzie video above.

Wiki link to no-go zones   Im not sure where youre going with that, but it didnt deny what happened ?

They`re all rapists...not     Snopes !  Totally unbiased, and with no more research than what you and me could do (Soros funded too)

It`s all those refugee men doing the crim stuff   Snopes again ! No wonder it only took 10 mins.

More, "Don`t go there it`s dangerous!!!" tosh  Oops and again , very sloppy research, fake news Henry 

 

And remember don`t believe everything someone tells you, go out and try checking stuff

And dont believe everything you read on snopes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

[Rewulf]

Heres some more stats, from a lot more reliable sources than snopes.

This one from the Swedish government is quite telling on what it DOESNT say, and uses ,for most of its argument, a crime survey from 2005 

http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

 

This one tells a different story.

As does this one, regarding shootings between 2010-15

Sex crimes

Suppose its all coincidence, and nothing to do with the immigrants ?
Nothing to see here, no proof ?
With a population of just under 10 million, 163, 000 claimed asylum in 2015 alone, estimates vary, but it is widely accepted that nearly 800,000 people from outside Europe, have claimed asylum and./or been granted residency in the last 10 years,  going on for 10 % of the population bu the end of this year.

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, henry d said:

This seems to be a common thread on topics like this, but is it true? (This isn`t a pop at you Mr. Westward, just you put it better than most)

I know an Iraqi, I knew him shortly after he arrived in this country in the early 70`s, he married my cousin a few years later. His wife is not a chattel, nor do they have lots of kids and both were well educated. There is a large extended family on both countries, but my great gran was the most productive at 12 (surviving infancy) children. So what made him so different to the generalisation above and in other media? What made all the other races who made GB their home conform, generally and without denying their distinctiveness, over the past 70 or so years?

Born evil? Bred evil? Made evil?

Please take a look at my earlier post, it seems blatantly obvious to me why there are issues with some migrants coming from certain countrys, that' not to say that all migrants from certain countrys will commit crime, far from it, but there will obviously be a higher proportion due to their upbringing and the social norms in the country they've come from.

[henry d]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

And dont believe everything you read on snopes

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/

So was the policeman lying? Is everything on snopes a lie? (Can`t reply to your bold text on my quote)

Your second post is good in that it shows the Govt site but the rest has nothing to allow anyone to check. However when I search google images for sweden crime a lot of the graphs turn up there and if you are going to reference something plese put up a link

[yod dropper]

I don't think Sweden records the backgrounds of people committing crimes so it may go some way to explaining matters.  However, next door Norway knows what's going on and who's doing it and as I'd posted Germany knows what's going on and who's doing it and it's inconceivable that the same isn't happening in Sweden.  

[Rewulf]

11 minutes ago, henry d said:

So was the policeman lying? Is everything on snopes a lie? (Can`t reply to your bold text on my quote)

Your second post is good in that it shows the Govt site but the rest has nothing to allow anyone to check. However when I search google images for sweden crime a lot of the graphs turn up there and if you are going to reference something plese put up a link

All wikipedia, I just condensed it down a bit.

Is everything on snopes a lie ?
I doubt it, but its certainly not solid fact, its biased, and allegedly run by 2 people, not a place I go to for the truth, whatever that is these days.

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

https://ultratechlife.com/blog/ask-a-science-professor-is-snopes-com-unbiased-reliable-for-skeptics-or-journalists-to-use-for-research-no/

[henry d]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

All wikipedia, I just condensed it down a bit.

Is everything on snopes a lie ?
I doubt it, but its certainly not solid fact, its biased, and allegedly run by 2 people, not a place I go to for the truth, whatever that is these days.

https://foodbabe.com/do-you-trust-snopes-you-wont-after-reading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/

https://ultratechlife.com/blog/ask-a-science-professor-is-snopes-com-unbiased-reliable-for-skeptics-or-journalists-to-use-for-research-no/

You certainly condensed it down, you also missed out number of crimes per 100000 and  self reported crime graphs and I`m off to the gym so I can`t answer further, seeya Monday, and remember keep on thinking!

 

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, henry d said:

You certainly condensed it down, you also missed out number of crimes per 100000 and  self reported crime graphs and I`m off to the gym so I can`t answer further, seeya Monday, and remember keep on thinking!

 

I could have just put the link up too, but then maybe people wouldnt want to read it all.
A quick google brings up all the info you could ever need on the subject, plus now the left wing media has actually started admitting to the problem, we can have a proper dialogue on it.
Either way Sweden, in its naivety has caused itself a massive problem, a problem that Im not sure it can solve.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/

You keep thinking too 

[12gauge82]

I think the sooner the left and deep establishment in the West admits there is a problem, the sooner it can be tackled, it would also shut the far right down, who are feeding off the space left when governents  turn a blind eye to any tricky issues that the left don't want to admit to, it's counterproductive to having an inclusive and fair society for all.