johnnytheboy Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 Non Toxic Game 2.75" 1458fps Rottweil Steel Game HV 32g 1449fps RC3 Steel 28g 1440fps Fiocchi Steel 32g 1434fps Rottweil Steel Game Speed 28g 1438fps Winchester Special Canard 32g 1428fps Rottweil Copper Unlimited 34g 1424fps RC Atomic Steel 34g 1423fps Winchester Blindside 35g 1413fps RC Atomic Steel 32g 1399fps Mirage Steel 32g 1396fps Gamebore Super Steel 32g 1385fps Rottweil Steel Game 32g 1382fps Rio Blue Steel 32g 1379fps Fiocchi Steel 35g 1372fps Bornaghi Steel 36g 1369fps RC Technosteel 34g 1328fps Eley VIP Steel 32g 1294fps Lyalvale Supreme Steel 32g 1290fps Cheddite Steel 32g 1282fps Cheddite Steel 34g 1262fps Hull Steel Game Extra 32g 1245fps Eley VIP Bismuth 32g 1152fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 32g Steel Game 3" 1569fps Eley Lightening Steel 32g 1524fps RC Hyperfast 34g 1508fps B&P Valle Steel 33g 1463fps Winchester Blindside 1 3/8oz 1457fps B&P Dual Shock 36g 1457fps Rottweil Steel Game 36g 1450fps Cheddite HP Steel 36g 1406fps RC Atomic 36g 1373fps Eley Lightening Steel 36g 1376fps Lyalvale HP Steel 36g 1336fps Gamebore Mam Steel 36g 1312fps Hull Solway Steel 36g 1269fps Mirage Steel 36g 1226fps Hull Solway Mag Steel 34g 1197fps Rem Sportsman Steel 36g Non Toxic Super Magnum 3.5" 1428fps Gamebore Mam Steel 42g 1409fps Winchester Blindside 46g 1377fps Winchester Drylock 44g 1353fps Mirage Steel 39g 1212fps Gamebore Tung Mtrx 60g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 I need some help please guys, what am I missing from this test? I tried the Kent silver steel but the smoke of them obscured the chronograph so it’s not possible to get results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenergp Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 I would like to see a reload in the test, say pick a well known and published load and try that. I know there will be a difference due to loader error/skill/experience but it would give us a ball park figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, greenergp said: I would like to see a reload in the test, say pick a well known and published load and try that. I know there will be a difference due to loader error/skill/experience but it would give us a ball park figure. The reloads I tested were almost bang on the quoted speeds. To me, speed is not too important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 1 hour ago, motty said: The reloads I tested were almost bang on the quoted speeds. To me, speed is not too important. For Steel when you get near 1450fps your onto a lethal load, it just testing the loads you have around that speed to find the one they patterned the best then your really onto something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted August 25, 2018 Report Share Posted August 25, 2018 4 hours ago, johnnytheboy said: I need some help please guys, what am I missing from this test? I tried the Kent silver steel but the smoke of them obscured the chronograph so it’s not possible to get results. Where did you find kent silver steel over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 20 bore ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, Continental Shooter said: 20 bore ? My problem is I don’t have a 20b ? but I think the kids will need a gun so I’ll start them on a 410 and as they get bigger work towards a 20b, is there any 20b cartridges you would like to see chronoed? 10 hours ago, grahamch said: Where did you find kent silver steel over here Just cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Distance from the muzzle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 meter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motty Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 13 hours ago, johnnytheboy said: For Steel when you get near 1450fps your onto a lethal load, it just testing the loads you have around that speed to find the one they patterned the best then your really onto something! Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Interesting and good to see them posted in order. I have ave to say a lot of the values are ‘similar’ yet some brands on there I really didn’t get on with. I’ve heard good things about Eley, love Gamebore but hated Express. Yet the values aren’t too far apart. This was echoed between 3 folk in 3 different guns so can’t be just down to individual gun pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 47 minutes ago, motty said: Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity! In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work. Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fen tiger said: In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work. Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix . Last season I used a load of Remington 1 3/4oz BB loads in the 10. They were quoted as 1260fps. They were knocking pinks stone dead as high as I dared shoot them. To me, and a few other I shoot with, fast loads are not really necessary. The faster you fire it, the faster it slows down. At 50 yards, the difference is negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, motty said: Last season I used a load of Remington 1 3/4oz BB loads in the 10. They were quoted as 1260fps. They were knocking pinks stone dead as high as I dared shoot them. To me, and a few other I shoot with, fast loads are not really necessary. The faster you fire it, the faster it slows down. At 50 yards, the difference is negligible. Have you used much steel 1’s? Notice much difference between 1’s and BB’s? I’ve used the 1’s to good effect and haven’t gone larger for pellet count but a lot of people rate BBs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Fen tiger said: In some circumstances with some loads and some pellet size perhaps . Speed if you can maintain a suitable pattern is not a bad thing, holding pattern is the limiting factor it tends to be easier to hold a pattern at lower velocity why the lower velocities work. Make a choice either way based on how they work in your set up velocity is just one part of the mix . Totally agree. When we first had to use Non Toxic i used Express 3" 1-1/4oz 3's and 1's through 1/4 an 1/2 chokes which i recoil was only 1150fps I'd like a £ for every Goose ( numerous species ) i cleanly killed with them . Yet when i first joined a certain Wildfowling Forum i got slated beyond belief called a Liar unsportsmanlike etc until a long time member who shot with me jumped to my defense. My belief is hit em under the chin Pattern and Penertration Kill not one or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, wildfowler.250 said: Have you used much steel 1’s? Notice much difference between 1’s and BB’s? I’ve used the 1’s to good effect and haven’t gone larger for pellet count but a lot of people rate BBs! To be honest, I haven't used 1s that much, but know a few that do very well with them. I plan to get some and load up some 46gm loads for the 10 for this season, for ducks and geese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, motty said: To be honest, I haven't used 1s that much, but know a few that do very well with them. I plan to get some and load up some 46gm loads for the 10 for this season, for ducks and geese. That’ll certainly drop them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 2 hours ago, motty said: Where did you come up with that random 'fact'? Steel is lethal at far less velocity! That’s what works for me, wether it’s been a duck pond load or a magnum load you get near that magic number and get a good patterns and it’s lethal. Spent ages tinkering with homeloads to get them as near on perfect as I could and the 1450fps number just seems to work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 23 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said: That’s what works for me, wether it’s been a duck pond load or a magnum load you get near that magic number and get a good patterns and it’s lethal. Spent ages tinkering with homeloads to get them as near on perfect as I could and the 1450fps number just seems to work for me. The reality is though, the difference between a load travelling at 1350fps and one at 1450fps is so minimal, that it is unlikely that anyone could tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Depends how much shooting your doing, I suppose to most folk they wouldn’t know but if your specialising in shooting non lead cartridges in specific conditions like foreshore Wildfowling you get pretty tuned into what your doing! 2 hours ago, motty said: To be honest, I haven't used 1s that much, but know a few that do very well with them. I plan to get some and load up some 46gm loads for the 10 for this season, for ducks and geese. I have an old Danish friend who keeps banging on about avoiding 1s and using 2s or 3s instead, he reckons he can get a better core density in the spread with that size shot than 1s! Id be interested in any feedback anyone has on that s he is adamant about it, and the the Dane know non lead as that’s all they can shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, johnnytheboy said: Depends how much shooting your doing, I suppose to most folk they wouldn’t know but if your specialising in shooting non lead cartridges in specific conditions like foreshore Wildfowling you get pretty tuned into what your doing! I have an old Danish friend who keeps banging on about avoiding 1s and using 2s or 3s instead, he reckons he can get a better core density in the spread with that size shot than 1s! Id be interested in any feedback anyone has on that s he is adamant about it, and the the Dane know non lead as that’s all they can shoot I would dispute that. There is no way anyone could tell the difference between a 1350fps shell and a 1450fps shell. I do a lot of shooting all year round and I couldn't tell the difference. As I said, the difference is minute. The Danish friend's opinion is just that - an opinion. Just because he only uses steel, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. Again, I would doubt he would be able to tell the difference between 1s and 2s in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytheboy Posted August 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Motty this is why I love you! I think that no matter what I said you would have the different opinion, one day I hope you could visit Scotland and I could take you on a Wildfowling tour and we can bicker to your hearts content about the minute detail of Wildfowling accessories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fen tiger Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 I agree with the Dane absolutely its not just his your other my observations it has been debated on many American sites in the past. What you tend to find in 1s ,American 2s is though they can kill at one range where they have adequate pattern the Centre is sparse and any more range is down on density of pattern. Choking it down the typical thing to do never seems to give percentages you would see with other shot sizes. This is in 12bore. I have a crash helmet so this controversial as itmay seem is how I see it too justas the. Dane did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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