Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Ah , so youre saying that the wiki reference isnt true ? So someone made this up , and the mods didnt notice it ? So its completely false that the EU requires member states to adopt the euro as per my link ? Do I really have to provide you a link directly from the Europa.com website to make you believe it ? There are many instances of Wiki links being doctored so ‘pinch of salt’ Europa.com? Will take a gander, but is it a ‘state’ website or privateer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) More 'lies' https://nordic.businessinsider.com/leaked-document-sweden-and-denmark-to-be-forced-into-the-euro-by-2025-2017-5/ http://www.mpifg.de/people/mh/paper/Hoepner 2018 Should Sweden adopt the Euro.pdf https://www.euractiv.com/section/central-europe/news/eu-plans-offer-you-cannot-refuse-to-future-eurozone-members/"European Union states except Britain and Denmark are obliged to adopt the euro but there is no deadline set for ditching their own currencies." https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:2bf140bf-a3f8-4ab2-b506-fd71826e6da6.0023.02/DOC_1&format=PDF There you go , the constitution , condensed form Ill save you some time , article 3/ part 4. The Union shall establish an economic and monetary union whose currency is the euro. 3 minutes ago, Jaymo said: Europa.com? Will take a gander, but is it a ‘state’ website or privateer? Its the EU s website ! https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/enlargement-euro-area/convergence-criteria-joining_en Edited December 17, 2018 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) The EUs reality about the economic impact of Brexit ON THE eu 27 http://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=IPOL_STU(2017)595374 'the (economic) losses are found to be virtually insignificant, and hardly noticed in the aggregate ' Probably all lies because it was reported in the Express https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1059375/EU-eurozone-Germany-France-Merkel-Macron-economy/amp?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2Xmh-TF6pMtb441xCwW1xWeBbIfQDLySqxwlVWXXpD8PS_Ms7r36tQ7eY What I find strange is the EU 'think tank' have put forward an economic impact assessment, when they have no clear idea whatsoever what type of Brexit we are talking about. Whats that word they use, to subvert facts, create stories and just generally lie their pants off, thats it , PROPAGANDA . Edited December 17, 2018 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Was it not the Brexiteers saying the EU had as much / more to loose than the Uk from bexit? Yet the EU have not been falling over themselves to acquiesce to our ill thought through demands. Their own economic assesment suggests impact is negligable. Do you not think we should have a look again at the tea leaves. It is a collective view of 27 states that drives the thought and decision making process. Without the states there is no EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, oowee said: Was it not the Brexiteers saying the EU had as much / more to loose than the Uk from bexit? Yet the EU have not been falling over themselves to acquiesce to our ill thought through demands. Their own economic assesment suggests impact is negligable. Do you agree with that assessment ? Is it really plausible that we get hammered and they dont ? Or is it actually, as I said propaganda ? 40 minutes ago, oowee said: It is a collective view of 27 states that drives the thought and decision making process. But its not really is it ? 27 countries , not 'states' thats EU doublespeak, do not make decisions, one representative of each country, bought and paid for by the EU is supposed to represent each country, and a smattering of 'largely' bought and paid for MEPs to occasionally have to ratify something. Decisions are made by the commission , which elects itself, from the cronyist junta of the EU . Where is the control ? Where is the opposition ? It hasnt got one, so it can do as it pleases. The EU doesnt represent Europe, it tries to control it, and its attempts to gain more and more control over its function and sovereignty should make even the most ardent Europhile pause and think about where its heading. Its not going to a good place, by any stretch of anybodies imagination. Edited December 17, 2018 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 44 minutes ago, oowee said: It is a collective view of 27 states that drives the thought and decision making process. Without the states there is no EU. Err no. It is a Franco-German axis, and has been from day one. That's where the real power lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, oowee said: Was it not the Brexiteers saying the EU had as much / more to loose than the Uk from bexit? Yet the EU have not been falling over themselves to acquiesce to our ill thought through demands. Their own economic assesment suggests impact is negligable. Do you not think we should have a look again at the tea leaves. It is a collective view of 27 states that drives the thought and decision making process. Without the states there is no EU. Seeing as we are the second highest contributor to the EU it is pretty obvious their economic assessment is BS. But we also contribute FAR more than simple finance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Do you agree with that assessment ? Is it really plausible that we get hammered and they dont ? Or is it actually, as I said propaganda . Its exactly the position that we stated at the start. The impact on the uk is huge. The impact on the EU when divided by 27 is far less significant. Its the net cost we are talking about rather than the gross cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oowee said: Its exactly the position that we stated at the start. The impact on the uk is huge. The impact on the EU when divided by 27 is far less significant. It doesnt work like that as you well know. 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Its the net cost we are talking about rather than the gross cost. Which is ? Based on ? It we get stuffed with Mays deal and there is a zero tariff trade deal, would there still be an impact ? IF IF IF . But its OK the EU have decided it wont touch them, but absolutely crush us no matter what happens ? That my friend is commonly known as bluffing, or in some circles B. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: More 'lies' https://nordic.businessinsider.com/leaked-document-sweden-and-denmark-to-be-forced-into-the-euro-by-2025-2017-5/ http://www.mpifg.de/people/mh/paper/Hoepner 2018 Should Sweden adopt the Euro.pdf https://www.euractiv.com/section/central-europe/news/eu-plans-offer-you-cannot-refuse-to-future-eurozone-members/"European Union states except Britain and Denmark are obliged to adopt the euro but there is no deadline set for ditching their own currencies." https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:2bf140bf-a3f8-4ab2-b506-fd71826e6da6.0023.02/DOC_1&format=PDF There you go , the constitution , condensed form Ill save you some time , article 3/ part 4. The Union shall establish an economic and monetary union whose currency is the euro. Its the EU s website ! https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/euro-area/enlargement-euro-area/convergence-criteria-joining_en All but one website is “the horses mouth” and even that clearly states that there is ‘No’ deadline to adopt the currency, so without a deadline you can continue in perpetuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: It doesnt work like that as you well know. Which is ? Based on ? It we get stuffed with Mays deal and there is a zero tariff trade deal, would there still be an impact ? IF IF IF . But its OK the EU have decided it wont touch them, but absolutely crush us no matter what happens ? That my friend is commonly known as bluffing, or in some circles B. S. Not sure where you got the crush bit from but yes. Any loss will be far greater proportionaly for the UK (one nation) than for the EU (27 nations). 13 minutes ago, TriBsa said: Err no. It is a Franco-German axis, and has been from day one. That's where the real power Er no. I suggest you look at the EU weighted voting system. I have to dip out now its very late. Good night all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, oowee said: Any loss will be far greater proportionaly for the UK (one nation) than for the EU (27 nations) Like I said, based on what ? Everything ? Take a few examples, tourism for one, the fragile Spanish economy gets 20 million Brit tourists there every year, spending £ xxxx each. If Brexit impacts that sector somehow, how much would we be impacted by lack of Spanish tourism ? German car industry ? French wine ? To say the effect on them would be less because theres 27 of them is plain silly, each sector would be impacted differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) I see that Jean Claude Juncker's salary has just gone up to 32,700 Euros (£29,400) per month tax free. Plus a very generous expenses package no doubt. Edited December 17, 2018 by TriBsa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, TriBsa said: I see that Jean Claude Juncker's salary has just gone up to 32,700 Euros (£29,400) per month tax free. Plus a very generous expenses package no doubt. And? Salary jealousy as per other threads- pales into insignificance compared to the much maligned Persimmon CEO! Juncker is ‘only’ , head of the EU Commission so probably not worth it? Whats next, going to begrudge Politicians using toilet paper? Don’t get me wrong- he appears to be an absolute **** and booze monster but nevertheless, he is in the position he is so must have done something right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jaymo said: so must have done something right? Or wrong ? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/12/why-good-europeans-despair-jean-claude-juncker-commission Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Or wrong ? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/12/why-good-europeans-despair-jean-claude-juncker-commission 😂 You just couldn't make it up could you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, Scully said: 😂 You just couldn't make it up could you! So, just like other Countries/ Principalities that offer favourable tax breaks ( don’t forget we have the close to home IOM) which benefited the Duchy of Luxembourg that you read an article ( what have we said about biased reporting today children) from 2014 and jump to the conclusion that it was solely Junkers doing? Maybe you might wish to read an article on the messiah aka Farage and look into his loans and tax too, but as that is also just either a wiki page or tabloid report then who knows - smoke and fire and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jaymo said: So, just like other Countries/ Principalities that offer favourable tax breaks ( don’t forget we have the close to home IOM) which benefited the Duchy of Luxembourg that you read an article ( what have we said about biased reporting today children) from 2014 and jump to the conclusion that it was solely Junkers doing? Maybe you might wish to read an article on the messiah aka Farage and look into his loans and tax too, but as that is also just either a wiki page or tabloid report then who knows - smoke and fire and all that. Go on then, post us a link to Farages ‘loans and tax’. I just find it all hilarious! They’re politicians for crying out loud, what do we expect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just now, Scully said: Go on then, post us a link to Farages ‘loans and tax’. I just find it all hilarious! They’re politicians for crying out loud, what do we expect! Very true 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Scully said: They’re politicians for crying out loud, what do we expect! I could write a list, and "greed" would be somewhere near the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 In May 2009, The Observer reported a Foreign Press Association speech given by Farage in which he had said that over his period as a Member of the European Parliament he had received a total of £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses.[54] In response, Farage said that in future all UKIP MEPs would provide monthly expense details.[54] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/12/nigel-farage-eu-salary-docked-claim-misspent-public-funds man of the people ? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/16/nigel-farage-skint-ukip-4m-townhouse Of course I’m being contradictory by quoting wiki and journo sources- I do take back my claim of dodgy loan, seem to remember a story of using funds for a campaign office to renovate the farmhouse in Kent? But can’t see the reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) I think if Farage had ****** in 1982 ,some one somewhere would have found out about it and plastered it all over the lefties press repeatedly . Passed wind * 😂 Edited December 17, 2018 by Rewulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jaymo said: In May 2009, The Observer reported a Foreign Press Association speech given by Farage in which he had said that over his period as a Member of the European Parliament he had received a total of £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses.[54] In response, Farage said that in future all UKIP MEPs would provide monthly expense details.[54] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/12/nigel-farage-eu-salary-docked-claim-misspent-public-funds man of the people ? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/16/nigel-farage-skint-ukip-4m-townhouse Of course I’m being contradictory by quoting wiki and journo sources- I do take back my claim of dodgy loan, seem to remember a story of using funds for a campaign office to renovate the farmhouse in Kent? But can’t see the reference Well we can’t argue with that can we; it’s from the same source as the article on Junker. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 The UK has negotiated an agreement to stay in the Common Transit Convention (CTC) even if there is no Brexit deal between the two sides. This means that goods can continue to be transported freely between the UK and the EEA with customs declarations and import duties only being paid when the goods arrive at their final destination. It is particularly important for the Republic of Ireland which transports the majority of its exports to the EU across the UK “land bridge”. More evidence that sensible contingency deals will be signed in a “managed no deal” scenario… Source WWW.order-order.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 It's funny actually how Farage gets docked some wage's because EU auditors 'found' he misused expenses. Yet the EU's books can't be independently verified or written off ? The EU being such a complex organisation, that no definitive number can be put on how many employees they have ? And the suspicious 4m town house he lives in ? Is it his ? Rented , borrowed, house sitting ? Terrible isn't it 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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