Lampwick Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) I ordered this way back in May and was getting slightly miffed at the excuses but it finally arrived and it had the Power Plenum too! Which I wouldn’t have got in May, so that cheered me up!! It’s the FAC .25 Now to fit it out! I was going to pop my Pulsar thermal on it but think that would be wasting its potential so I’m going to look for a decent scope and use a Pard 007 when needs must (I think) Edited January 22, 2020 by Lampwick Images to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just my opinion, but that looks like a ‘ray gun’ out of a Dan Dare comic from the fifties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 That's no coincidence, London Best, FX engineering is similar to that of the fifties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 They never look quite right to me, no wood, but going off what stu and others say they are very very good. 80-100 yards easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Nice .all u need now is a slug barrel and some fx hybrid .25 cal slugs and your set for 55 fpe 200 yds kills . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: Nice .all u need now is a slug barrel and some fx hybrid .25 cal slugs and your set for 55 fpe 200 yds kills . A very irresponsible post, IMO. A .22 Hornet with 700 plus ft lb is good for 200 yard kills. A .22 LR subsonic with 100 ft lb is not suitable. How come you think 55 ft lb at the muzzle makes an air gun suitable to risk taking on live quarry at 200 yards. Discounting the occasional rare fluke kill, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 That’s right up my street. 😋👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, London Best said: A very irresponsible post, IMO. A .22 Hornet with 700 plus ft lb is good for 200 yard kills. A .22 LR subsonic with 100 ft lb is not suitable. How come you think 55 ft lb at the muzzle makes an air gun suitable to risk taking on live quarry at 200 yards. Discounting the occasional rare fluke kill, of course. You need to do some research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 You can do all the theory research you like, I know it is not suitable, and people should not be encouraged to think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Ok . What makes a .22 hornet suitable for 200 yd kill shots ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Sixty years practical experience. I am not going to argue with a shooter who obviously does his shooting on ‘chair gun’ or some such computer programme. Let’s just agree to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Ok . This airgun- Is it the retained energy at 200 yds you have an issue with or the accuracy ? Or the trajectory .or the wind drift .? Just trying get your angle on it .. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted January 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Mice! said: They never look quite right to me, no wood, but going off what stu and others say they are very very good. 80-100 yards easily. It does look a bit ugly, but it's dad loves it! Very accurate, with a fair wallop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Lampwick said: It does look a bit ugly, but it's dad loves it! Very accurate, with a fair wallop. Fantastic, air rifle technology has certainly moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, London Best said: Sixty years practical experience. I am not going to argue with a shooter who obviously does his shooting on ‘chair gun’ or some such computer programme. Let’s just agree to differ. Why not you argue with everyone else 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, Old farrier said: Why not you argue with everyone else 😂😂 I don’t mean to, honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, London Best said: I don’t mean to, honest. There’s a saying think before you shoot similar to posting ultrastu is far from a chairgun shooter and to be honest you should be apologising to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'm no air rifle expert but in my experience @Ultrastu is one of the best air rifle nerds on here, @LampwickI can imagine you were grinning from ear to ear when the gun was finally in your possession, if you haven't already seen it look at Giles' video about the power plenum on YouTube, he loves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Its fine .to be fair he has a point . 200 yds is a long way . But the retained energy is fine (30 fpe ) The massive 60 inch drop can be allowed for with rangefinders . And the very high bc from a subsonic projectile should be stable out that far .leading to low dispersion . The biggest issue at 200 yds is winddrift but shoot on a calm day and that becomes next to void also . The real challenge is to the skill of the shooter not so much the gun 6 minutes ago, Ttfjlc said: I'm no air rifle expert but in my experience @Ultrastu is one of the best air rifle nerds on here, @LampwickI can imagine you were grinning from ear to ear when the gun was finally in your possession, if you haven't already seen it look at Giles' video about the power plenum on YouTube, he loves it. I will take that as a compliment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I will take that as a compliment Please do it was meant that way, 'boffin' sprung to mind once I'd posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: There’s a saying think before you shoot similar to posting ultrastu is far from a chairgun shooter and to be honest you should be apologising to him If I have caused Ultrastu any offence, then I apologise unreservedly as no offence was intended. I do realise that he is considered a bit of a “guru”. The ballistics in question must be very similar to a 60 ft lb .22Short, which has killed a man at about half a mile. Does that make it a suitable rifle for shooting man sized quarry at half a mile? No. Let me tell you a story: The last time I was in Africa another man was also staying at my friend’s property. He was a long range enthusiast, who took great pride in showing me how easy it was to hit 500 metre gongs. I tried it, and he was right, it was easy once he had calculated drop, used a rangefinder and a wind meter and set it all up. Really easy. He was using a .300 Win Magnum, a rifle with, at a guess, approaching 4000 ft lb muzzle energy, so plenty of residual energy. Because it was so effective on gongs this man thought it acceptable to shoot at animals at the same ranges, even 700 metres at one. I spent three days hunting down his wounded animals, two Warthogs and a Kudu bull. We never did find the Kudu. The injuries to the pigs were horrendous. Stick to targets for shots at long range, and when hunting use the old advice, “get as close as you can boy, and then get ten yards closer.” Edited January 22, 2020 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, London Best said: If I have caused Ultrastu any offence, then I apologise unreservedly as no offence was intended. I do realise that he is considered a bit of a “guru”. The ballistics in question must be very similar to a 60 ft lb .22Short, which has killed a man at about half a mile. Does that make it a suitable rifle for shooting man sized quarry at half a mile? No. Let me tell you a story: The last time I was in Africa another man was also staying at my friend’s property. He was a long range enthusiast, who took great pride in showing me how easy it was to hit 500 metre gongs. I tried it, and he was right, it was easy once he had calculated drop, used a rangefinder and a wind meter and set it all up. Really easy. He was using a .300 Win Magnum, a rifle with, at a guess, approaching 4000 ft lb muzzle energy, so plenty of residual energy. Because it was so effective on gongs this man thought it acceptable to shoot at animals at the same ranges, even 700 metres at one. I spent three days hunting down his wounded animals, two Warthogs and a Kudu bull. We never did find the Kudu. The injuries to the pigs were horrendous. Stick to targets for shots at long range, and when hunting use the old advice, “*** as close as you can boy, and then *** ten yards closer.” Thanks for the story ? why wasn’t the shooter tracking his own wounded animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Thanks for the story ? why wasn’t the shooter tracking his own wounded animals Because his fieldcraft was zero. He had learned to shoot at targets, end of. PS I wasn’t alone, I had three , shall we say, ‘local’ trackers with me. Those boys are GOOD. I was more or less just on despatch. Edited January 22, 2020 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 Im all for taking close range shots .they increase the chances of success exponentially. And your dead right .targets are in no way the same as live quarry ,not even close . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22, 2020 Report Share Posted January 22, 2020 I think that there is currently a MASSIVE shift in terms of what we perceive an "airgun " can do these days . We have airguns of up to . 50 cal that carry more energy than some centre fire rifles .and are passed in some US states for deer .then there are the fx and others shooting slugs that hold accuracy and energy at huge ranges and then dump that energy very well on impact . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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