Rob85 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 How much are steel cartridges per box of 25? I don't have a massive amount of storage to be buying them in bulk and usually 3 or 4 boxes at a time is plenty to keep me going. My usual cartridges are something like a 30gram 6 GB country fibre wad (affordable for me and do the job). So with a transition to steel how much would a box of standard pressure cartridges come in at? All the prices I see are for slabs of cartridges and the just cartridges guys don't deliver to northern ireland anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 GB wetland game and steel in 3's, 4's and 5's are £5.70 a box in my local RFD. They aren't bad, I've used a few over the last couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Prices are not that different at the moment it’s just a limited choice until all the cart manufacturers get up to speed on development in next few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Farmboy91 said: GB wetland game and steel in 3's, 4's and 5's are £5.70 a box in my local RFD. They aren't bad, I've used a few over the last couple years. Your forgetting about the biodegradable wad policy that puts them at around £11.50 per box for the eley offering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Your forgetting about the biodegradable wad policy that puts them at around £11.50 per box for the eley offering. I haven't forgotten, I can't get them so wouldn't even consider them right now. I've got about 40 of the GB in 3's and 4's and about 20 3" lightning's, plenty for now. I was assuming the op was after standard steel loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Eley vip steel, Just Cartridges £7.30/25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Yep standard steel loads as that's all my guns are proofed for....until I get another gun to handle the more spicy stuff. Thanks for the info guys. 1 minute ago, Dave at kelton said: Eley vip steel, Just Cartridges £7.30/25 Unfortunately they won't deliver to northern ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, Rob85 said: Yep standard steel loads as that's all my guns are proofed for....until I get another gun to handle the more spicy stuff. Thanks for the info guys. Unfortunately they won't deliver to northern ireland. Was given as a guide. I get mine from the local clay ground, an eley dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: Was given as a guide. I get mine from the local clay ground, an eley dealer. Sorry i took the post wrong but thanks for the guide price... is there usually much difference between them and a local dealer? My local clay ground is where I'm going to have a look at another gun and was going to enquire about steel cartridges. Seems to be over here some places look at you like you have 2 heads when you ask about steel. I asked another rfd about non toxic for ducks about 10 years ago and was told to do what everyone else done and just use lead anyway Edited March 15, 2020 by Rob85 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 That’s okay, and difficult to say who is cheapest. I have had local dealers cheaper than JC but generally a little higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksopener Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Tried some of the Eley VIP eco-wad, still early days but not impressing as yet. about £9.50 a box Edited March 15, 2020 by lksopener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, lksopener said: Tried some of the Eley VIP eco-wad, still early days but not impressing as yet. about £9.50 a box Any Feedback on the spent wad condition, any blown off skirts or pin holing. Any pics? What did you find unremarkable about them. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 15, 2020 Report Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, lksopener said: Tried some of the Eley VIP eco-wad, still early days but not impressing as yet. about £9.50 a box One of the top pigeon shooters in the country has given them the thumbs up. 3 hours ago, Rob85 said: Yep standard steel loads as that's all my guns are proofed for....until I get another gun to handle the more spicy stuff. Thanks for the info guys. Unfortunately they won't deliver to northern ireland. What gun do you own? You will more than likely be fine with spicy steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 11 hours ago, motty said: One of the top pigeon shooters in the country has given them the thumbs up. What gun do you own? You will more than likely be fine with spicy steel. A 1966 built aya yeoman s/s and a 1983 built sarasketa o/u. Both 12bore double trigger non ejectors with 2 3/4 inch chambers and choked half and full. I have my father in laws gun as well now but it's irrelevant as it feels as loose as Diane Abbott grasp on maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 I think its harder to find a gun not capable of shooting steel, than one capable. A non capable steel use gun , is very rare. Now OWNERS NOT wanting to shoot steel. MUCH more common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 This is typical of the stress steel wads are put through in steel shot loading, blown split skirts torn wad pettals. So any card cups need to be tough, and any gas sealing needs to be robust . Loading a few test loads this weekend showed the gas seal area is the weakest link. These were on fast steel loads in the 1550/ 1600fps range. Card sleeving i made was from chinese rice lids just cut to same size as maylar wrappers and onto op card then op felt, then pre glued 12ga nitro card 16ga nitro card and the wrapper." used a 12ga case to hold the wrapper in place while it set. . Just used gorilla glue. But looking for a better glue. it held together and i used EX CGR copper platted Steel 4s to try and help if bore contact happened. gun i used i got for the job a Fabarm euro 3 luxe dead rough , it lost 3 inch of its barrel and its multi choke to a hacksaw attack, in a previous life. Bore is mint, and 30 rounds not a mark. Found wadding most not intact but sieving looked fine and was in tact. found very few of the base sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, lancer425 said: This is typical of the stress steel wads are put through in steel shot loading, blown split skirts torn wad pettals. So any card cups need to be tough, and any gas sealing needs to be robust . Loading a few test loads this weekend showed the gas seal area is the weakest link. These were on fast steel loads in the 1550/ 1600fps range. Card sleeving i made was from chinese rice lids just cut to same size as maylar wrappers and onto op card then op felt, then pre glued 12ga nitro card 16ga nitro card and the wrapper." used a 12ga case to hold the wrapper in place while it set. . Just used gorilla glue. But looking for a better glue. it held together and i used EX CGR copper platted Steel 4s to try and help if bore contact happened. gun i used i got for the job a Fabarm euro 3 luxe dead rough , it lost 3 inch of its barrel and its multi choke to a hacksaw attack, in a previous life. Bore is mint, and 30 rounds not a mark. Found wadding most not intact but sieving looked fine and was in tact. found very few of the base sections. Reckon you could do a video or a picture sequence of making that shot cup? Could be of use to any loading I do in the future and other reloaders trying to make a good shot cup for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Rob85 said: Reckon you could do a video or a picture sequence of making that shot cup? Could be of use to any loading I do in the future and other reloaders trying to make a good shot cup for themselves. I dont mind doing that, its simple just two nitro cards a 12 and a 16 glued together and yjr wrap overlapping/ glued slide into a new 12ga case until it sets. Its the gas seal aspect i am not decided on yet Inverted cup is great, but not sure it will survive the internal ballistics. I used the test loads with plastic gas seals and the soft over powder fibres as you get from siarm. These seemed fine with a op card and could not tell any difference to the plastic seal. It sounds complicated, but i assembled 30 just as any load and i used a paper guillotine to cut my wrappers, and what wrappers i found were not pin holed and were in surprisingly good condition. I have used these rice lids on reloads for OP and top cards for 30 years always tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 19 hours ago, motty said: One of the top pigeon shooters in the country has given them the thumbs up. would this be Geoff Garrod??,if not who is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 22 hours ago, Rob85 said: Sorry i took the post wrong but thanks for the guide price... is there usually much difference between them and a local dealer? My local clay ground is where I'm going to have a look at another gun and was going to enquire about steel cartridges. Seems to be over here some places look at you like you have 2 heads when you ask about steel. I asked another rfd about non toxic for ducks about 10 years ago and was told to do what everyone else done and just use lead anyway Yeah, thatll be useless retail staff Who have no clue. I did the same thing except i had some special order bismuth shells. These were awful. I then invested in reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, cookoff013 said: Yeah, thatll be useless retail staff Who have no clue. I did the same thing except i had some special order bismuth shells. These were awful. I then invested in reloading. As far as investing in reloading goes I will probably get into it as I like tinkering with stuff and I can sit and play at a bench in much the same way as I like to the fishing flies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 I could get you on the right track if needbe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, andrewluke said: would this be Geoff Garrod??,if not who is it? Anthony Poolman he shoots about 20k per year pigeons that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 The fact you have 70mm chambers still means you have options. That and or roll turning may help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Rob85 said: As far as investing in reloading goes I will probably get into it as I like tinkering with stuff and I can sit and play at a bench in much the same way as I like to the fishing flies! Best move you could make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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