dansage Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 good morning all, hope everybody is safe and well. I've posted another thread on here regarding overpower cards, but thats run off in a tangent (mainly because of my stupid questions) so thought I'd start a new one as I'm in desperate need of assistance. The current set up I have got are as follows:- Various 70mm eley, rose gold and RC HPF3 hulls. Lee Load All 2 Alliant Herco powder CCI 209 primers 18mm fibre wads No 7 shot The main issues I'm finding is that I didn't realise the Load All wasn't designed for fibre wads, but various members have told me they have loaded them fine, and I would like to continue this from an environmental point. I'm also aware I need overpowder cards or wads so I'll be getting those. My thought train so far is that I've used the data from the Alliant manual for 2 3/4 inch Fiocchi hulls, and the grain range dependant on wad (as fibre isn't listed) is between 25.5 and 26. I've test loaded (with used primer) an Ely Hull, loaded the powder, inserted the wad, loaded the 32g of no7 shot and have a gap of 9.6mm between the top of the shot and the crease line in the cartridge, or 18.2mm total distance between the top of the shot and the opening edge of the cartridge. My questions are, are the grain assumptions ok as ive gone with the .180 insert in the Load All which should give a projected 26.3 grain, but after several weighing checks is coming out at 24.7 grains. And do I have to make the 9.6mm gap up with overpowder cards/wads as this seems a large gap to me? Apologies in advance for all the questions but I'm a total newbie at reloading and have scoured the net and manuals etc, but just feel a bit more confident with your expert assistance Many thanks! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 It’s always best to use slightly less than more powder..Add card wads over your felt wad to build up the space .Buy A 3/4 wad punch and make your own cheaper than buying them.i have used polystyrene food trays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 hello, theres a good video by TATV on different wad materials, with a home made cutter, very neat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansage Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 08:57, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, theres a good video by TATV on different wad materials, with a home made cutter, very neat Expand I've literally just watched that before you replied. Very good. Never dreamed of using standard corrugated cardboard! Now wheres all those Amazon boxes.... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 The excess for crimp should be 1/2inch. Maybe best at 490thou. Depends. You may be able to use 2op cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just chuck in a sugar puff or weeto to make up minor stack heights for now. Rose Gold cartridges suggest Kibworth. Ard you anywhere near Kettering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansage Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 12:21, sitsinhedges said: Just chuck in a sugar puff or weeto to make up minor stack heights for now. Rose Gold cartridges suggest Kibworth. Ard you anywhere near Kettering? Expand Thats exactly where the rose golds came from 👍 assume that's one of their own brands? I'm leicester side of kibworth unfortunately but Kettering isn't far. Whys that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 I only use fibre wads in my lee 2 loaded thousands , use maxam csb 5 and vectan a s for my pigeon loads 32g 6/1/2 or 5 and 6 shot mixed up which makes a good hard hitting shell . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansage Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 12:54, kenholland said: I only use fibre wads in my lee 2 loaded thousands , use maxam csb 5 and vectan a s for my pigeon loads 32g 6/1/2 or 5 and 6 shot mixed up which makes a good hard hitting shell . Expand 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 12:34, dansage said: Thats exactly where the rose golds came from 👍 assume that's one of their own brands? I'm leicester side of kibworth unfortunately but Kettering isn't far. Whys that? Expand Because I live in Kettering and have been loading for years. Could have shown you how once we can mix with each other again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 13:42, sitsinhedges said: Because I live in Kettering and have been loading for years. Could have shown you how once we can mix with each other again. Expand And that, Mr Dansage, is exactly what you need. Face to face personal tuition. Worth a million posts on any forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansage Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Thats brilliant. May take you up on that sitsinhedges (great name btw) when all of this chaos ends 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 13:49, London Best said: And that, Mr Dansage, is exactly what you need. Face to face personal tuition. Worth a million posts on any forum. Expand You can say that again. On 24/04/2020 at 12:54, kenholland said: I only use fibre wads in my lee 2 loaded thousands , use maxam csb 5 and vectan a s for my pigeon loads 32g 6/1/2 or 5 and 6 shot mixed up which makes a good hard hitting shell . Expand Now that sounds like a great shell, not fast, but quality none the less! Nice choice in powder and shotweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Sits will see you straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted May 6, 2020 Report Share Posted May 6, 2020 you could just cut the shell down and use an over shot card and a roll turn over saves all the drama of stacking everything to get a good crimp or use flex cell concrete expansion joint 6" x 8 ft or an 8x4 sheet for sweeties from a local buildbase /travis p to cut your own wads over shot cards from Kellogg's cornflakes/ over powder card from hardboard 8x4 sheet less than a tenner (a drill and a rotary cutter needed ) if needing to crimp you may need to split a felt wad ie 3 wads for 2 shells to get a crimp with what you have available or buy longer wads to suit your needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip000 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Share Posted May 7, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 13:29, dansage said: 👍 Expand On 24/04/2020 at 12:54, kenholland said: I only use fibre wads in my lee 2 loaded thousands , use maxam csb 5 and vectan a s for my pigeon loads 32g 6/1/2 or 5 and 6 shot mixed up which makes a good hard hitting shell . Expand What do you estimate your loaded cartridge is costing you? I’d love to load my own but the cost of components seems prohibitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 On 07/05/2020 at 15:49, chip000 said: What do you estimate your loaded cartridge is costing you? I’d love to load my own but the cost of components seems prohibitive. Expand not worried about cost ,I just needed to see if I could make up a load that would give me satisfaction knowing that when I shoot a pigeon that I had made myself, the main bill would be the shot , that came in at £46 7 kilo tub, clay and game prices to look at might help , o k mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 if you play the reloading game right -you win. everything costs money, speed, costs money, payload costs money. good economy loads use powder at the top of there maximum payload. but they are not fast. 1200-1250 will do fine. take red dot. been used for 32g loads for decades. now its being used for lighter payloads at large powder charges. it costs the same amount of money. to fire a 32g load or a fast 24g load. cos powder costs alot. about £180/k reloads. but now maybe 200-220per k. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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