Getting back to work

[Old farrier]

20 minutes ago, henry d said:

And how do you do that with children with multiple and complex special educational needs?

Genuinely, because it is not working at my wife's work for the past six weeks or so.

Very difficult for your wife and you have my sympathy 

however there’s a lot of kids that don’t have a problem not getting anything 

a solution needs to be found to get them back 

[Old farrier]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What they could do is first 15 kids start 8am/2pm  then another 15 kids 2pm/8pm rolling on 7day Rota  scrap the 7week summer holidays for 2 weeks it would mean recruiting ex teachers back but can't see a problem there as thousands of ex NHS have returned. It's not ideal but the kids got to catch up 

There’s plenty working 7 days at the moment if that’s what it takes so be it 

how would it be if the factory down the road said no !!! 

they have been tasked to make respirators 7 days a week 24 hours a day 

it’s unprecedented time and they will have to learn its a new time and things are changing 

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

There’s plenty working 7 days at the moment if that’s what it takes so be it 

how would it be if the factory down the road said no !!! 

they have been tasked to make respirators 7 days a week 24 hours a day 

it’s unprecedented time and they will have to learn its a new time and things are changing 

That's my thinking the world is a different place now & we all have adapt.

[Mice!]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What they could do is first 15 kids start 8am/2pm  then another 15 kids 2pm/8pm rolling on 7day Rota  scrap the 7week summer holidays for 2 weeks it would mean recruiting ex teachers back but can't see a problem there as thousands of ex NHS have returned. It's not ideal but the kids got to catch up 

I can see your thoughts but it wouldn't work, kids aren't going to stay at school till 8pm although morning and afternoon is probably better than nothing.  Problem is space, the "groups" all stay together in one space, you couldn't clean sufficiently between the two classes.

We have an hour between shifts at the moment with cleaners coming in between and wiping down any touch points, I'm not sure its needed given we are all being very thoughtfull with hand washing,  but as numbers increase then the risk goes up. Luckily being a large firm it's all being taken very seriously,  I doubt small firms will be going to these lengths or expenses.

[Mice!]

I should have added the problem of having kids of different ages,  if you've got children not in the years going back to school then your still not going to be able to return to work,  my kids would be able to go because me and Mrs mouse are both key workers but others probably won't be able to work shorter hours to suit kids doing half days and arrange child care.

Its certainly not straight forward at all.

13 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

they have been tasked to make respirators 7 days a week 24 hours a day 

This is nothing new at all, most places doing that will have done it before,  I did 3 on 3 off for four years, brilliant shift pattern if it works for you.

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

I should have added the problem of having kids of different ages,  if you've got children not in the years going back to school then your still not going to be able to return to work,  my kids would be able to go because me and Mrs mouse are both key workers but others probably won't be able to work shorter hours to suit kids doing half days and arrange child care.

Its certainly not straight forward at all.

This is nothing new at all, most places doing that will have done it before,  I did 3 on 3 off for four years, brilliant shift pattern if it works for you.

I’m sure you can build family members into the class they may even be able to help teach their young brother/ sister who’s to know that the experience may encourage them to be teachers of the future 

I appreciate it’s difficult 

however not insurmountable 

It’s all going to be a bit of a compromise and the whole structure of working and having kids in education maybe have to change in the future 

[AVB]

6 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

 

 

6 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

It’s all going to be a bit of a compromise and the whole structure of working and having kids in education maybe have to change in the future 

That's the key. Everybody is going to have to adapt to new ways of working but some unions are very adverse to that and see it as the Governments problem to solve. 

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Old farrier said:

Get together and work out a plan 

maybe halving the kids and go in on alternate days 

keep kids in groups and one classroom for that group just swapping teachers for the different subjects 

Teaching them personally hygiene could be lesson one 

there’s plenty of different jobs going on that have the same problem with the equal risks 

or even kids in one day a week and give them a weeks project 

teacher's are the brain training for the country

its time for you to step up to the mark and do it 

tin hat on 

Far too sensible and practical 👍

[Old farrier]

It’ll be interesting to see how members rank there jobs 

in the risks element from 1 being the most dangerous job at the moment 

down to 350 the lowest risk 

we all know pigeon shooting in a field is number 350 🤔

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, if Mc Cluskey had his way he would want all his Union members staying home until the Epidemic passed but the how many Companies can afford the cost that will be implemented in August, Bankruptcies in the UK are on the rise,  

[clangerman]

i have every sympathy for teachers you are clearly going to be bullied into a unsafe work place i hope you all survive 

[Raja Clavata]

The teaching situation really isn't rocket science (you wouldn't even need to a degree in Teaching to work it out).

Start on the basis that those teachers who can go back to work do so, you know a bit like everyone else in workplace.

The schools on an individual basis fit their teaching schedule around what teachers they do have.

Pull in external teaching resources where major gaps exist, if it's gonna last a while scan the workforce with suitable skills currently on furlough, get them the pre-requisite training and clearance then get them to work at the schools

I wasn't around the last time we were "at war" but with a bit of determination and drive these and other issues can be overcome quite easily.

If individual teachers refuse to go back to school in the absence of medical or health grounds then put them on significantly reduced pay with a path to redundancy

For those with genuine medical / health issues work out a compromise reflecting the fact that the world has changed and they don't have a right to continue to be paid indefinitely

Sorry, but discussions like this do nothing to alter the often misplaced public perception that Teachers tend to be a bit work shy in the first place

This is the problem with the furlough mechanism, make it too comfy and you'll struggle to get people back to work

And before anyone goes apoplectic, yes of course there are exceptions but by definition they are not the norm... 

There is more resting on this than just teaching the kids, which is in itself very important of course.

Without the schools opening and operating at some kind of level then vast amounts of the workforce are locked out of work too because of the need for childcare

Everybody has a duty and obligation to do their bit.

[clangerman]

you are correct nobody has the right to be paid indefinitely but they do have the right to be kept safe this is not about education it’s about child care so people can go back to work if it’s that safe why are local councils telling people to avoid the lake district beaches and such are they scaremongering? 

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

you are correct nobody has the right to be paid indefinitely but they do have the right to be kept safe this is not about education it’s about child care so people can go back to work if it’s that safe why are local councils telling people to avoid the lake district beaches and such are they scaremongering? 

Because they are not nessecary or essential at this moment going to work is 

I’m pretty sure going to a beach or the Lake District can wait a few more weeks 

[clangerman]

Just now, Old farrier said:

Because they are not nessecary or essential at this moment going to work is 

I’m pretty sure going to a beach or the Lake District can wait a few more weeks 

think the solution then is ask the teachers if they feel safe returning not a choice i would like to make with children touching everything and everyone what a hard position to be in 

[Jaymo]

18 minutes ago, clangerman said:

i have every sympathy for teachers you are clearly going to be bullied into a unsafe work place i hope you all survive 

And the award for the most dramatic post of the year goes tooooooooo...🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁

I’ve not been bullied to go back and according to some on here, I’m contributing to spreading ‘death and destruction’ - we, like schools, start back on 1st of June 

[Old farrier]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

think the solution then is ask the teachers if they feel safe returning not a choice i would like to make with children touching everything and everyone what a hard position to be in 

Let’s hope you don’t get toothache 

And  have to ask the dentist if he feels safe 

2 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

And the award for the most dramatic post of the year goes tooooooooo...🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁

I’ve not been bullied to go back and according to some on here, I’m contributing to spreading ‘death and destruction’ - we, like schools, start back on 1st of June 

Are you sure you’re not being bullied? 🤔
obviously you’re going to be ringing a bell shouting unclean unclean on the way to work 🙄as a precaution 

[clangerman]

4 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Let’s hope you don’t get toothache 

And  have to ask the dentist if he feels safe 

Are you sure you’re not being bullied? 🤔
obviously you’re going to be ringing a bell shouting unclean unclean on the way to work 🙄as a precaution 

if you could hang on with the snide remarks until i have peoples thoughts and opinion then it would be helpful thank you 

[Bumble]

It seems that the BMA also agrees with the NEU, or are they now also suddenly downgraded from ‘heroes’ to ‘cowards’ for failing to toe the gov’t line? https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-doctors-back-teachers-fears-over-schools-reopening
 

[Mice!]

49 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

I’m sure you can build family members into the class they may even be able to help teach their young brother/ sister who’s to know that the experience may encourage them to be teachers of the future 

I appreciate it’s difficult 

however not insurmountable 

It’s all going to be a bit of a compromise and the whole structure of working and having kids in education maybe have to change in the future 

If your a key worker then your kids would all be in one group, so siblings together, I can't see the school's putting older kids in with younger ones simply because it will add significantly to the numbers although at the moment I doubt very much everyone will send their kids in anyway. 

24 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Pull in external teaching resources where major gaps exist, if it's gonna last a while scan the workforce with suitable skills currently on furlough, get them the pre-requisite training and clearance then get them to work at the schools

That while in theory sounds good its totally impractical,  it would take longer than a few weeks to check and vet people, although they could possibly use high school teachers to help in the primary schools.

Have you ever tried getting fifteen 5 or 6 year olds to do something?

Yes the schools need to go back, but rushing things isn't going to help.

41 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, if Mc Cluskey had his way he would want all his Union members staying home until the Epidemic passed but the how many Companies can afford the cost that will be implemented in August, Bankruptcies in the UK are on the rise,  

Liverpool have said schools will not reopen. 

Guessing this is from the unions or the mayor. 

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Mice! said:

That while in theory sounds good its totally impractical,  it would take longer than a few weeks to check and vet people, although they could possibly use high school teachers to help in the primary schools.

I did say if it's gonna go on a while, you mentioned a few weeks, I meant several months. I do agree it would be a challenge though, it was just an idea if the situation looks like persisting.

Not much experience with large groups of kids, but I'm fully proficient at "herding cats" based on my career 🙂

[Old farrier]

8 minutes ago, clangerman said:

if you could hang on with the snide remarks until i have peoples thoughts and opinion then it would be helpful thank you 

Snide remarks 

dentist is number 1 on the most dangerous job list would you feel safe being one or going to one? 
 

the rest of the comments you quoted were for jamo and I’m sure I shall hear the bells when he flies over at 20.000 feet 

[clangerman]

1 minute ago, Old farrier said:

Snide remarks 

dentist is number 1 on the most dangerous job list would you feel safe being one or going to one? 
 

the rest of the comments you quoted were for jamo and I’m sure I shall hear the bells when he flies over at 20.000 feet 

i do apologise i bit before thinking sorry 

[Raja Clavata]

23 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you are correct nobody has the right to be paid indefinitely but they do have the right to be kept safe 

Define safe? What do the HSE say about this, what are the working guidelines around this kind of thing? Let the experts make the call and accept their assessment...

[clangerman]

16 minutes ago, Bumble said:

It seems that the BMA also agrees with the NEU, or are they now also suddenly downgraded from ‘heroes’ to ‘cowards’ for failing to toe the gov’t line? https://www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-doctors-back-teachers-fears-over-schools-reopening
 

certainly can’t argue with those on the front line thanks for that expert opinion from those more than qualified to make the call on if teachers are safe think that answers it for us