Test and Trace

[VicW]

The new 'Test and Trace' system apparently introduced before the system was properly up running requires that if you are confirmed to have the virus you will be asked for details of all those that you have been in contact with.
The criteria are that you must have been within two metres of them for fifteen minutes or more. How many people have you been in contact with recently that fit those criteria, people that you live with excluded? If there is someone do you know who they are etc?
In a supermarket or passing on the pavement you may be within two metres but not for fifteen minutes. I don't think that there are going to be many people contacted.

Vic.

[oowee]

It's presumably as with the rest of lock down discretionary and given you might get told to isolate when there is not a quick test available not sure how it is envisaged it will work. There is no blue tooth proximity indicator with it as originally envisaged.

I also cannot see why each nation appears to have its own set up. 

[Raja Clavata]

I'll avoid the joke about testing positive and naming several high profile people as those I'd recently come into contact with and therefore needing to self isolate🙂

There is noise around all this in relation to easing the lock-down and the risks of relying on a unproven tool - two of the SAGE members are apparently very concerned about this, no idea what the rest of them think.

[AVB]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'll avoid the joke about testing positive and naming several high profile people as those I'd recently come into contact with and therefore needing to self isolate🙂

There is noise around all this in relation to easing the lock-down and the risks of relying on a unproven tool - two of the SAGE members are apparently very concerned about this, no idea what the rest of them think.

How many people make up SAGE? 55 I believe. So that is less than 4%  

[Raja Clavata]

4 minutes ago, AVB said:

How many people make up SAGE? 55 I believe. So that is less than 4%  

My understanding too and why I referred to it as noise 👍

[KFC]

I imagine it will be the same as everything that British governments of all persuasions have ever done.

It will be too little too late, cost at least three times the original estimate and be capable of achieving, at most, half of what the original requirement was.

It will be ok though because our MP's will tell us that the half we have got is fantastic and there's no evidence that the other half would have been statistically significant anyway.

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, KFC said:

I imagine it will be the same as everything that British governments of all persuasions have ever done.

It will be too little too late, cost at least three times the original estimate and be capable of achieving, at most, half of what the original requirement was.

It will be ok though because our MP's will tell us that the half we have got is fantastic and there's no evidence that the other half would have been statistically significant anyway.

Hello, good post KFC 👍

[Retsdon]

1 hour ago, KFC said:

I imagine it will be the same as everything that British governments of all persuasions have ever done.

It will be too little too late, cost at least three times the original estimate and be capable of achieving, at most, half of what the original requirement was.

It will be ok though because our MP's will tell us that the half we have got is fantastic and there's no evidence that the other half would have been statistically significant anyway.

MPs?  It's the Prime Minister who is calling the system 'world class'. This system...

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/boris-johnsons-test-and-tracing-system-britain-lockdown

....read and weep.

Anyway, already it's becoming evident that besides being grossly incompetent this government is also too cowardly to own its own mistakes. So blame is being systematically shifted to the scientific advice, the civil service, and apparently now you even want to blame MPs and every other previous government of whatever political persuasion as well ! It's just a pity that the EU can't be shoe-horned in there too, or no doubt they'd be on the hook too.

What you can bet your life though is that these people would be getting very little, if any, credit were Britain to be bottom of the bad stats charts instead of top. The government would, quite fairly, be claiming the plaudits.

They say in the military that there's no such thing as bad troops, just bad commanding officers and Tory government has been in command for 10 years. Its nonsense for them, or anyone else, to try and blame subordinates or predecessors. They own the successes and failures equally.

Edited May 30, 2020 by Retsdon

[Newbie to this]

34 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Anyway, already it's becoming evident that besides being grossly incompetent this government is also too cowardly to own its own mistakes.

Luckily, it's neither here nor there for you, hey 

Edited May 30, 2020 by Newbie to this

[Vince Green]

1 hour ago, Retsdon said:

 

Anyway, already it's becoming evident that besides being grossly incompetent this government is also too cowardly to own its own mistakes.

Why are they grossly incompetent?

[Old farrier]

20 hours ago, VicW said:

The new 'Test and Trace' system apparently introduced before the system was properly up running requires that if you are confirmed to have the virus you will be asked for details of all those that you have been in contact with.
The criteria are that you must have been within two metres of them for fifteen minutes or more. How many people have you been in contact with recently that fit those criteria, people that you live with excluded? If there is someone do you know who they are etc?
In a supermarket or passing on the pavement you may be within two metres but not for fifteen minutes. I don't think that there are going to be many people contacted.

Vic.

It’s going to depend upon the time scale 

how many weeks back they’re going to trace And if it’s from showing symptoms or when test results are in 

Big difference in Number’s