Counting deaths.

[AVB]

I see that there is now focus on how PHE count the deaths (these are the numbers that are reported on a daily basis). PHE count a death as covid related if the person has tested positive at any time. So somebody could test positive in May, get hit by a bus in July and they would be counted as a covid death. This is ridiculous as it means everyone of the 292,000 people who have tested positive will be counted as a covid death when they eventually die. 
 

no wonder our numbers are supposedly the third highest in the world. 

[ordnance]

2 hours ago, AVB said:

I see that there is now focus on how PHE count the deaths (these are the numbers that are reported on a daily basis). PHE count a death as covid related if the person has tested positive at any time. So somebody could test positive in May, get hit by a bus in July and they would be counted as a covid death. This is ridiculous as it means everyone of the 292,000 people who have tested positive will be counted as a covid death when they eventually die. 
 

no wonder our numbers are supposedly the third highest in the world. 

Have you a link. ? So you are saying if a 2 year old tests positive for VC19 and they die in 80 years time, the cause of death will be listed as CV19.  

Edited July 17, 2020 by ordnance

[clangerman]

numbers will rise shortly just passed the local cricket club bar heaving no social distancing whatsoever the idiots 

[AVB]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

Have you a link. ? So you are saying if a 2 year old tests positive for VC19 and they die in 80 years time, the cause of death will be listed as CV19.  

Here

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/

[Mungler]

This tells you everything you need to know

[AVB]

It looks like they have suspended reporting deaths until it can be sorted out. Here is the statement. 
 

[Docleo]

10 minutes ago, Mungler said:

This tells you everything you need to know

What does it tell? That the median age is above 80. So what? It doesn't matter since they're old? Or doesn't matter since their life expectancy was reduced "just" by a couple of years!? 

[mel b3]

More and more stories are emerging of people that have had covid 19 , and got better ,  then suddenly just die , from issues caused by covid 19 . I would guess that this is why the death figures include anyone that has previously tested positive at any point.

Edited to add.

None of us are really safe from covid 19 , some of us are more likely to die from it , and some of us are less likely to die from it , but it would appear that even those that have been previously diagnosed with it aren't safe . 

Edited July 17, 2020 by mel b3

[AVB]

7 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

More and more stories are emerging of people that have had covid 19 , and got better ,  then suddenly just die , from issues caused by covid 19 . I would guess that this is why the death figures include anyone that has previously tested positive at any point.

Edited to add.

None of us are really safe from covid 19 , some of us are more likely to die from it , and some of us are less likely to die from it , but it would appear that even those that have been previously diagnosed with it aren't safe . 

Especially if run over by a bus. 

[mel b3]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

Especially if run over by a bus. 

I'm going to make an uneducated but common sense guess ,and say that no death by bus , will be recorded as a covid 19 fatality.  Then again , our ways of doing things are often pretty xxxxxx up to say the least.

[AVB]

Just now, mel b3 said:

I'm going to make an uneducated but common sense guess ,and say that no death by bus , will be recorded as a covid 19 fatality.  Then again , our ways of doing things are often pretty xxxxxx up to say the least.

Not according to PHE. “PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.”
 

Totally flawed

[mel b3]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

Not according to PHE. “PHE regularly looks for people on the NHS database who have ever tested positive, and simply checks to see if they are still alive or not. PHE does not appear to consider how long ago the COVID test result was, nor whether the person has been successfully treated in hospital and discharged to the community. Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.”
 

Totally flawed

They really can't be that stupid , can they ???.

[Boristhedog]

13 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

They really can't be that stupid , can they ???.

It seems they can. 

[Mungler]

51 minutes ago, Docleo said:

What does it tell? That the median age is above 80. So what? It doesn't matter since they're old? Or doesn't matter since their life expectancy was reduced "just" by a couple of years!? 

It tells me that the narrow band of people who actually are at risk, aren’t working and can self isolate indefinitely / as need be, whilst the rest of the country gets back to work.
 

A true pandemic cuts through all age groups. I can’t say I’m surprised that everyone under 30 has had enough and are getting out and about.

People forget that the Government has no money of its own and that the NHS is funded by Tax payers (as are all public services and benefits). 

[ordnance]

 

 

11 minutes ago, Mungler said:

It tells me that the narrow band of people who actually are at risk, aren’t working and can self isolate indefinitely / as need be, whilst the rest of the country gets back to work.
 

A true pandemic cuts through all age groups. I can’t say I’m surprised that everyone under 30 has had enough and are getting out and about.

People forget that the Government has no money of its own and that the NHS is funded by Tax payers (as are all public services and benefits). 

So all these people can self isolate indefinitely.  Its young people going out that catch it, and pass it on to parents grand parents etc.  

People at moderate risk (clinically vulnerable)

People at moderate risk from coronavirus include people who:

• are 70 or older
• have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
• have heart disease (such as heart failure)
• have diabetes
• have chronic kidney disease
• have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
• have a condition affecting the brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis or cerebral palsy)
• have a condition that means they have a high risk of getting infections
• are taking medicine that can affect the immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
• are very obese (a BMI of 40 or above)
• are pregnant.

• People at high risk (clinically extremely vulnerable)

  People at high risk from coronavirus include people who:

• have had an organ transplant
• are having chemotherapy or antibody treatment for cancer, including immunotherapy
• are having an intense course of radiotherapy (radical radiotherapy) for lung cancer
• are having targeted cancer treatments that can affect the immune system (such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors)
• have blood or bone marrow cancer (such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma)
• have had a bone marrow or stem cell transplant in the past 6 months, or are still taking immunosuppressant medicine
• have been told by a doctor they have a severe lung condition (such as cystic fibrosis, severe asthma or severe COPD)
• have a condition that means they have a very high risk of getting infections (such as SCID or sickle cell)
• are taking medicine that makes them much more likely to get infections (such as high doses of steroids or immunosuppressant medicine)

11 minutes ago, Mungler said:

It tells me that the narrow band of people who actually are at risk, aren’t working and can self isolate indefinitely / as need be, whilst the rest of the country gets back to work.
 

A true pandemic cuts through all age groups. I can’t say I’m surprised that everyone under 30 has had enough and are getting out and about.

People forget that the Government has no money of its own and that the NHS is funded by Tax payers (as are all public services and benefits). 

Looks like a pandemic to me. 

 

 

 

 

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1. (of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.

Edited July 17, 2020 by ordnance

[Guest]

I've said for quite a while that our numbers are so high because of reporting methods.

[Mungler]

There’s no one on that list above (severe medical condition and over 70) that can’t isolate and let the rest of the world crack on and not go bankrupt.

In the years to come we’ll see who was right.

[Old farrier]

10 hours ago, Mungler said:

It tells me that the narrow band of people who actually are at risk, aren’t working and can self isolate indefinitely / as need be, whilst the rest of the country gets back to work.
 

A true pandemic cuts through all age groups. I can’t say I’m surprised that everyone under 30 has had enough and are getting out and about.

People forget that the Government has no money of its own and that the NHS is funded by Tax payers (as are all public services and benefits). 

The Spanish flu didn’t kill the young and old it just took the middle band age group 

there’s plenty working that are at high risk 

people forget that the old have given a lot so that the young can have a easier extravagant lifestyle 

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Old farrier said:

The Spanish flu didn’t kill the young and old it just took the middle band age group 

there’s plenty working that are at high risk 

people forget that the old have given a lot so that the young can have a easier extravagant lifestyle 

I read about the Spanish flu a while back, I wasn't even aware of it till all this broke out, very strange how the middle age band was the most affected. 

That's probably part of the problem now, its effecting mostly the old and ill so the younger groups want to get back to normal,  and are being told to go back to work.

I was told about an incident in the pub last week, some old boy was telling people to keep their distance while others made fun of him, while he was right I've no idea why he would be in a busy pub on a Saturday night at the moment,  of course he has every right to be there but it's not a very sensible choice. 

[Old farrier]

28 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I read about the Spanish flu a while back, I wasn't even aware of it till all this broke out, very strange how the middle age band was the most affected. 

That's probably part of the problem now, its effecting mostly the old and ill so the younger groups want to get back to normal,  and are being told to go back to work.

I was told about an incident in the pub last week, some old boy was telling people to keep their distance while others made fun of him, while he was right I've no idea why he would be in a busy pub on a Saturday night at the moment,  of course he has every right to be there but it's not a very sensible choice. 

Agreed not a sensible choice although it would appear that the younger generation that were making fun of him have learned nothing in the last 14 weeks 

bearing in mind the young have been paid not to work (probably with a pension fund) good job it’s only killing the expendable part of the population 🙄

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by Old farrier

[Mice!]

38 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

Agreed not a sensible choice although it would appear that the younger generation that were making fun of him have learned nothing in the last 14 weeks 

bearing in mind the young have been paid not to work (probably with a pension fund) good job it’s only killing the expendable part of the population 🙄

 

I'm sure that's the case for many of those that were out unfortunately,  but it's still the case that many haven't been affected by this virus other than the lockdown and being off work,  kids not in school.

I had to sit through a two hour reset induction type thing this week that all staff are having,  despite only actually missing two weeks work, while that was the first time some have been on site since the lockdown started. 

[Old farrier]

45 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I'm sure that's the case for many of those that were out unfortunately,  but it's still the case that many haven't been affected by this virus other than the lockdown and being off work,  kids not in school.

I had to sit through a two hour reset induction type thing this week that all staff are having,  despite only actually missing two weeks work, while that was the first time some have been on site since the lockdown started. 

It’s going to be hard for those who haven’t been working when they have to comply with the new protocols and guidelines perhaps then they will get a realisation of how the people who have worked have already adjusted to the new normal 

[Mice!]

13 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

It’s going to be hard for those who haven’t been working when they have to comply with the new protocols and guidelines perhaps then they will get a realisation of how the people who have worked have already adjusted to the new normal 

The new normal is people aren't really keeping their distance,  the first 4-6 weeks back in work people were keeping apart, but the last month I'd say many have relaxed,  just getting on with their job, and carrying on as if nothing is likely to happen,  I realise other places may be different but if people are happy going out getting drunk then they aren't concerned about a virus.

[Guest]

[oldypigeonpopper]

On 17/07/2020 at 21:45, mel b3 said:

They really can't be that stupid , can they ???.

YES is the answer mel 🤔