JohnfromUK Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Watching the investiture clips today highlights what a country of contrasts we have become. On one hand we have HM the Queen knighting Colonel Sir Tom Moore; a man of (now) 100 years old, who set out to raise £1000 to help the NHS and captured the nations hearts (and pockets!) and raised a massive £32 million. What a lovely thing and such a well deserved honour - and so glad HM felt able to knight him in person. A man who wanted to do his bit for his country - and ended up doing far more than he had ever hoped. On the other hand - we have our judiciary - saying we must accept back someone who left this country to join an organisation bent on killing our soldiers and attacking our nation - and what it stands for. Someone who wanted to destroy the country that she grew up in - and tried to join our enemies to achieve that, failed - and now wants us to take her back. Could you have greater contrasts? Edited July 17, 2020 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Hit it on the nail. Cannot add more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: Hit it on the nail. Cannot add more. Yes 100% agree , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 how’s this for contrast we have ira terrorists who have bombed killed and maimed people for life walking around free as a bird while the government now pretend they have done no wrong and then this young woman being painted as something she is clearly not and blacken at every opportunity by the same government obviously there are two types of terrorists or something stinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, clangerman said: while the government now pretend they have done no wrong That was Blair who let the IRA out - the same Blair who was pally with Col Gadaffi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said: That was Blair who let the IRA out - the same Blair who was pally with Col Gadaffi. regardless of which party is robbing the till at the moment this is still double standards your either a terrorist or your not if that young woman knows one end of a firearm from the other i will be amazed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, clangerman said: if that young woman knows one end of a firearm from the other i will be amazed and the people she supports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, clangerman said: then this young woman being painted as something she is clearly not other than being a baby breeder for IS, she's probably ideal material for a teaching assistant in your local primary school. The IRA are the past-she and her kindred are the present and the future, so best we grab the nettle and deal with her-as a terrorist. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fuddster said: The IRA are the past-she and her kindred are the present and the future, so best we grab the nettle and deal with her-as a terrorist. families of the ira victims especially the services must be over joyed it’s being taken so lightly to class it as just the past as for her being a terrorist have we seen any evidence she has killed anybody i haven’t seen any yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Jemima Bigbum May not be a terrorist, but she is certainly a traitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, clangerman said: families of the ira victims especially the services must be over joyed it’s being taken so lightly to class it as just the past as for her being a terrorist have we seen any evidence she has killed anybody i haven’t seen any yet I doubt you have any experience of the IRA never mind IS-You are barking up the wrong tree to suggest I take either of their actions lightly. Nail your colours to the mast and defend her, her dead IS husband and her commitment to the IS cause. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fuddster said: I doubt you have any experience of the IRA I think being half irish and losing two dear friends for nothing is experience enough the woman is a fool and misled but there is no evidence she has killed anyone unlike some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 My sympathies for your losses. She's stated her case, intentions and fled this country to a terrorist state to support IS. If thats not a clear intention of who and what she supports-what do you want as proof?- how about a plane banner over a football ground reading 'IS lives matter!' If you feel so strongly for this misguided, once schoolgirl-I suggest you start a petition to get her citizenship reinstated and post a link on here. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Fuddster said: If thats not a clear intention of who and what she supports-what do you want as proof?- one of her victims would be a good start just one would do this is all government mud slinging until it sticks she’s no more a threat than my dog if she was i would be the first to call for her head don’t believe the hype! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 IS has murdered many people unless you missed the news-lets refer to them as victims. good luck with that petition. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Fuddster said: IS has murdered many people unless you missed the news-lets refer to them as victims. good luck with that petition. f. ^^^This. As a fully signed up member, She is equally responsible. Just like every member of the IRA was responsible for their atrocities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 17/07/2020 at 21:47, clangerman said: one of her victims would be a good start just one would do this is all government mud slinging until it sticks she’s no more a threat than my dog if she was i would be the first to call for her head don’t believe the hype! I think your totally underestimating the threat she poses to this country. Bomb makers don't tend to blow themselves up, they will groom a suitably naive sympathiser for that, someone who believes in their ideology. That's the threat with people like that, she has shown virtually no remorse or change to her mindset and even if she did, in my opinion she's too much of a risk, why should we take the risk with our citizens lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) If she'd shown any kind of remorse I might be able to summon up a tiny bit of sympathy, but she hasn't. The only thing she's remorseful about is that their Caliphate failed. If it hadn't she'd still be out there glorifying in the deaths of the infidels who opposed it. She claimed: “When I went to Syria I was just a housewife for the entire four years. I never did anything dangerous.“I didn’t know what I was getting into when I left. I was hoping that maybe for the sake of me and my child they’d let me come back. Because I can’t live in this camp forever.”However, she also told journalists that she supported the persecution and rape of Yazidi slaves. She also proclaimed the Manchester arena bombing was “fair justification” for air raids in Syria. Sources told The Daily Telegraph that Begum served in ISIL's "morality police", and also tried to recruit other young women to join the jihadist group.[17] She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of ISIL's laws, such as dress codes for women. Additionally, an anti-ISIL activist told The Independent that there are separate allegations of "Begum [stitching] suicide bombers into explosive vests so they could not be removed without detonating" I really cannot understand why anyone would have any sympathy with her. Edit: Apparently even her own father doesn't - On 24 February, her father Ahmed Ali said, "If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong." Edited July 19, 2020 by Mr_Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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