rec-baller Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Just picked up my dual cert !!! opened the envelope and ive been put on an open cert immediatley on my first application !!!!! WAHAY can,t belive it can,t wait to get to the Midlands show on sunday and spend some of my hard earned pennies, just wondering what to buy though how often do people get issued an open cert first time round ?? or am i just lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 alot would depend on the wording on the cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Most likely a mistake. The only way you would have got it first time round is if you have massive permissions, but even then nowadays it is very unusual. But all the same good luck and well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rec-baller Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. the wording on the cert is Experienced-OPEN i have about 800 acres over 3 farms and 3 golf courses, and 2 more permisions in the pipeline so i take it isan open cert !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 If it says "Experienced-open" then I'd take it as open. If they've got it wrong then you still have it on paper that they've said you can shoot under the conditions of an open cert, you're not breaking any rules! I was told that if I give more than 5 permissions they would open my cert early, so that's probably why they've done it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 yep why question it, if it says open on the ticket just go for it. there is no way they could ever say we made a mistake and you should have told us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. if no named farm on it then its open are you sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I have no named farm for my 243 and its not completley open - it says " on land deemed suitable by the chief of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder of this certificate has permission to shoot with this class of firearm". be careful Rec-Baler - it is very very unusual to get an open cert on your first application, it normally takes 3 years or you have to show a real good reason or FAO deems you suitable to have an open ticket I spoke to my FAO today and he will open my ticket up completly if i take my DSC 1 test !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 it says " on land deemed suitable by the chief of police for the area where the land is situated and over which the holder of this certificate has permission to shoot with this class of firearm". this is the crucial wording, if this isn't present or any other statement naming the land then it is open as it says on the ticket. It may be unusual but if he has applied for 5 parcels of land and the FEO has decided that he is competent then what is the problem. If its a clerical error then make the most of it it isn't your job to do their work for them. You have a license granted and you are complying with the terms on it there is no possible come back. It may be unusual but FEO's vary so much in their approach he may jyst have been too lazy to check each individual permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I spoke to my FAO today and he will open my ticket up completly if i take my DSC 1 test and you asked him to stick this where please. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 I spoke to my FAO today and he will open my ticket up completly if i take my DSC 1 test and you asked him to stick this where please. :blink: thats what i told him what the """ has dsc got to do with foxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. if no named farm on it then its open are you sure. yes iv had a fac for 14 years, the first 5 years had my named farm on it, after that it came back with no farm on it, asked about it and its open.all my rifles are for open ticket i asked my flo just had my tickets back after renewal 4 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. if no named farm on it then its open are you sure. yes iv had a fac for 14 years, the first 5 years had my named farm on it, after that it came back with no farm on it, asked about it and its open.all my rifles are for open ticket i asked my flo just had my tickets back after renewal 4 weeks ago. my first ticket had no farms on it but was not open. anything that mentions the chief of police is not open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 if it aint worded like this it aint open! cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 now thats a open ticket, same as mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted September 16, 2007 Report Share Posted September 16, 2007 if its got your named farm on it, then its not open,if no named farm on it then its open. if no named farm on it then its open are you sure. yes iv had a fac for 14 years, the first 5 years had my named farm on it, after that it came back with no farm on it, asked about it and its open.all my rifles are for open ticket i asked my flo just had my tickets back after renewal 4 weeks ago. my first ticket had no farms on it but was not open. anything that mentions the chief of police is not open. Yep. Mines like this. No named farms but the chief officer of police wording is there, so its closed. At the moment my certificate is having an open condition put on it but its taking an age. My mates came back by return of post, but mine always ends up on the desk of Mrs nestofcoffeetables who is on maternity leave and has a backlog. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 if it aint worded like this it aint open!cheers KW Hare with a .243? Bit of a waste isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Hare with a .243? Bit of a waste isn't it? just a condition that was put on ! I did not ask for it? I only wanted fox and deer,I actually do not shoot hare, dont need to, dont want to, note that the only wording for fox is on the .243 they would not put fox on my hmr, some will mine wont!! frustrating as hell, seems every force reads the guidelines different, and or they dont know the hmr that well. cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Hare with a .243? Bit of a waste isn't it? just a condition that was put on ! I did not ask for it? I only wanted fox and deer,I actually do not shoot hare, dont need to, dont want to, note that the only wording for fox is on the .243 they would not put fox on my hmr, some will mine wont!! frustrating as hell, seems every force reads the guidelines different, and or they dont know the hmr that well. cheers KW Now now kieth you know fine well the very same force put fox on my HMR :o sorry mate could not resist B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I would be very careful. The police do not refer to restricted or unrestricted conditions as open or closed, they use the wording that has been mentioned by previous posters. I have never ever heard of a fac with the words .......Experienced, open mentioned on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 I have never ever heard of a fac with the words .......Experienced, open mentioned on it. i would like to know if anybody else has. does seem a strange think to have on it. but we are talking about firearms conditions, looks like the old bill can do as they like contrary to what the shooting organizations tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_colt Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Kdubya:- Have you thought about getting a proper certificate wallet? Might stop it getting any more dog-eared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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