quentyn Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 given that railguns are now starting to become available https://e-shotgun.com/ tested on as there is no barrel and no propellant will railguns be classed the same as crossbows or slingshots ? the one in the video above is a toy but soon enough they will be this size and a useful power thoughts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 I can’t think of a reason, given what is already legislated against regarding UK firearms, why they won’t be given a class and covered by legislation. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 Looks fun, so no doubt will be illegal in the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 I couldn’t bare to watch past the intro section unfortunately so I am still unenlightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinty1 Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 Regarding were this would fall within the Firearms Act 1968 it would firstly have to satisify Section 57 (1B):- In subsection (1)(a), “lethal barrelled weapon” means a barrelled weapon of any description from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than one joule at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged. If it fufilled this there would be other things to be considered such as barrel length and overall length, which may elevate it into Section 5 The fact it appears it can be fired in full auto mode may also elevate it into Section 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted September 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 22 hours ago, guinty1 said: Regarding were this would fall within the Firearms Act 1968 it would firstly have to satisify Section 57 (1B):- In subsection (1)(a), “lethal barrelled weapon” means a barrelled weapon of any description from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than one joule at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged. If it fufilled this there would be other things to be considered such as barrel length and overall length, which may elevate it into Section 5 The fact it appears it can be fired in full auto mode may also elevate it into Section 5 however it doesnt have a barrel .... a rail gun just accelerates a projectile down a rail ( hence railgun) there is no barrel involved - just a line of electromagnets and some huge capacitors i suspect they may need to update the legislation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 I imagine that the rail of capacitors will constitue a barrel of if not as it discharges a lump of metal at high velocity which can then be regarded as noxious, sec 5 will fit easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 20 hours ago, quentyn said: however it doesnt have a barrel .... a rail gun just accelerates a projectile down a rail ( hence railgun) there is no barrel involved - just a line of electromagnets and some huge capacitors i suspect they may need to update the legislation The Rail gun in the video has a barrel it is described by the reviewer as having copper coils around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guinty1 Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) Just to mix it up a bit, there has been interest in these in the uk, technically it shoots a hollow arrow over a hollow tube. The arrow is propelled by compressed air just like a pcp, however if you were replace the arrow with an appropriately sized lead ball directly into the tube could it be fired,if so is this now a section 1 air rifle potentially (as it is reported the kinetic energy of this is in excess of 150ftlb). Edited October 1, 2021 by guinty1 spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted October 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, sportsbob said: The Rail gun in the video has a barrel it is described by the reviewer as having copper coils around it. i think that the reviewer is just trying to relate it to a firearm as thats his point of reference. As the projectile is a disk it makes no sense mechanically to have a barrel ( and i dont think that they can) - notrmally a railgun machanism is closer to a crossbow flight groove 36 minutes ago, guinty1 said: Just to mix it up a bit, there has been interest in these in the uk, technically it shoots a hollow arrow over a hollow tube. The arrow is propelled by compressed air just like a pcp, however if you were replace the arrow with an appropriately sized lead ball directly into the tube could it be fired,if so is this now a section 1 air rifle potentially (as it is reported the kinetic energy of this is in excess of 150ftlb). the german ones have a pin mounted across the "barrel" so that they cant ever fire a projectile through it ( only an arrow over it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 20:14, quentyn said: i think that the reviewer is just trying to relate it to a firearm as thats his point of reference. As the projectile is a disk it makes no sense mechanically to have a barrel ( and i dont think that they can) - notrmally a railgun machanism is closer to a crossbow flight groove Good luck arguing that in court as the one in the video is described as having a barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Probably already covered by existing legislation, it doesn't have to be a real gun to fall foul of firearms legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanT Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 https://e-shotgun.com/info/ that rail gun is 16 Joules, which I believe falls below the uk 12ftlbs air rifle law, so could be legal 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted October 11, 2021 Report Share Posted October 11, 2021 10 hours ago, DanT said: https://e-shotgun.com/info/ that rail gun is 16 Joules, which I believe falls below the uk 12ftlbs air rifle law, so could be legal 🤷♂️ But only as semi auto- not the burst mode that it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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