Oly Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Would be a big shame, didn't think it was too different to what most other drivers do. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7027743.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Or is it the F1 officials wanting an exciting finish to the season and didn't want it all wrapped up before the last race? They've done it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 he seemed to have no power any longer, but by the time I looked back, I was already in Mark's rear end." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Face it, it's all ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Or is it the F1 officials wanting an exciting finish to the season and didn't want it all wrapped up before the last race? They've done it before. Think your right there bud, I think they want any excuse to dock hamiltons points ,so a Ferrari driver can win the championship. Hooray for Stoner and Rossi in the moto Gp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 I think he'll be fine, it was **** weather to race in so who could blame him for wanting a little more space behind the safety car. Every driver keeps the brakes warm while following the safety car it was just difficult conditions for the following drivers. Personally I think the F1 world wants him to win as its definitely made the sport far more popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 What a load of old tosh F1 has about as much credibility as WWF Wrestling. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 You mean the WWF stuff is rigged as well?? Noooooooo! Lied to all these years. Damn them all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 so much for team spirit if that blockheaded ****** off spaniard cant back him either, bitter and twisted peolpe all of em, shown the road home by a rookie and they dont like it. if they, as profesional drivers, cant figure out whats happening on the track, buy a ticket take a seat and watch the rookie brit bring it home, he did nothing that any other driver wouldnt have given the opourtunity, F1 is about the edge, Lewis has it IMO. good luck son screw em all Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Another take on the issue, with a small quote from Lewis: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/6923.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I think it is amazing that the F1 official need someone to post the evidence on youtube rather than seeing it for themselves on the day. I have looked back and found that Mansell in '92 infringed a regulation and must be stripped of his title. I am at the moment going back through all of the 1996 races to see if the champiopnship should be given to Villeneuve. What a crock of ****, if the person that Bernie wants to win isn't then all kinds of rules and changes come into play. In a way I hope they do put Lewis back 10 places on the grid and he then wins the race from that start. Maybe the idiots will stop knocking the talent that the boy has. Next season everyone willbe commented on how boring F1 is with the same person winning all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUWFp6P4Cv0 Hamilton is clearly not within the alloted 5 car lengths and Webber had very little chance to assess the situation in time. Vettel with little experience is too close and not offline where he needed to be. I would not be surprised if Lewis gets penalised for this. I dont' think he was playing fairly, shame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUWFp6P4Cv0 Hamilton is clearly not within the alloted 5 car lengths and Webber had very little chance to assess the situation in time. Vettel with little experience is too close and not offline where he needed to be. I would not be surprised if Lewis gets penalised for this. I dont' think he was playing fairly, shame! http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/6923.html read this axe the facts seem to be that having been hit once from behind he was worried that webber was too close and had radioed this in. At the beginning of the clip the safety car slows down a lot for the standing water on the corner. He then drifts wide but seems it was deliberate to prevent webber running into him, and as you can see webber was well and truly alongside him when the accident happened. If he gets penalised for being sensible and trying to keep out of trouble in those conditions it will be a bit of a travesty. I think the fact that webber didn't blame him to begin with says it all, now in true wining aussie fashion he's trying to blame anyone in sight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Its a bit like Schumacher taking out Hill and Villneuve to ensure he won the title, didn't see the FIA do anything then. WHY, because he was the biggest crowd puller = more money and thats all those fat arrogant **** care about? Whilst I don't wish anybody to get hurt, hands up all those that cheered when Schuey hit that Tyre Wall in the British Grand Prix a few years back. Alonso should have been sacked by Mclaren for becoming a turncoat, I'd be surprised if he finishes the next race(s) at all given what he done to them. Talk about **** on your own doorstep. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Its horses for courses I guess, looking back on the video you could argue that Webber was too close to Hamilton. You could also argue that pulling out of the way was the right course of action in Hamiltons view. Even so, I think Hamiltons decision to stamp on the brakes as ge did is a little unfair given that he should know that the visibility behind would be very poor, he could have maintained his speed behind the safey car, whilst pulling right as he did. However, penalising him will be bad for the sport which has taken respite on the back of Hamiltons success. I wish him the very best of luck, he only needs 9 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 What a load of tosh guys! C'mon, just because our own Brit is in with a chance (and a good un at that) of winning the championship, we are meant to just disregard the rules? From the F1 site “When we were behind the second safety car, I was constantly on the radio to my engineers to tell the Red Bull team to get Mark (Webber) to make a little more of a gap (this is called putting pressure on your opponent Lewis - it is what all competitive sport is about son) because I couldn’t go any faster because the pace car was in front of me, so I was trying to keep the distance with him and then I’d move over because I couldn’t see Mark and then he’d just appear alongside me, so he kept out-braking himself. I felt something was going to happen, and I guess my instincts told me right.†Asked after the race about his apparently erratic driving behind the safety car, Hamilton said: “That wasn’t really the case - we just needed to keep the heat in the brakes. I was running quite a hard compound of brakes, so if I did light braking, I would have glazed the brakes. (so you want to have different allowances from the others to keep you in the best position for the break for the line - and to hell with the others? ) So I was making sure there was a little bit of a gap, maximising the gap that you’re allowed, and use it to my benefit It was tough because Mark behind me was just too close,(that is what the game is all about mate trying to out-think and out-manouvre each other) and all of a sudden he braked really hard.†My comments are in bold italics I'm sorry if this doesn't agree with the overall opinion here - but too often the view is very much - he's British so he must be better and he must win - lets just all forget that this is a highly competitive sport and that these guys do have to work damn hard to be the best at what they do - both on and off the track. If Lewis does win by the end of the season (good luck to him) then it will not be because of the comments he has made about his team mate it will be down to hard work and a little bit of luck. Let's face it, if any one of us had been sponsored for most of our sporting life by someone with the influence and backing of someone like Ron Dennis - wouldn't we all have done pretty well also? We need to keep in mind that Ron was also the person who chose Fernando for team McLaren - with good reason too, he is a double world champion. The press and public have made much of what Fernando supposedly said about blackmailing the team - but to be honest - would anyone of us have done any different given the changing status he was facing in the team? You don't take someone on and then begin to give them less and less backing just because your protegy has suddenly begun to show real potential. I'm not saying Lewis doesn't deserve all the support he can get - what I am sayiong is that the team should have been more up-front in their own dealings with their drivers. For all Ron's talk about equal shares etc for both drivers, it is patently obvious to anyone watching and listening which driver he has preference for. The outcome of all this has been that the team itself has lost out on the constructors championship and opened the door for another team to gain that reward and - now we are possibly faced with another team's driver winning the driver's championship. This game isn't finished until at least the next race guys - it could all -as they say - go right down to the line. As for the comments about Bernie's choice of champions and so on and the races all being a fix - think again guys - not at those speeds it aint. And anyway, if the rule is applied to one driver/team - then they are applying to them all. I don't seem to recall this being the case when Schummy took out Hill and then tried the same with Villneuive the following year or any of the other indiscretions that Schummy was allowed. A disgruntled McLaren fan rant over boys a girls - continue Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I can see some of your points but when following the safety car he had no need to be in the best position to break for the line as they get warning of when its going to pull off. At that point he was just trying to follow it safley and keep out of trouble. The reason they brake hard is because of glazing caused by braking gently, after all in dry conditions they would be braking hard accelerating hard and swerving all over the shop trying to keep the car and tyres up to temperature. As for all of us being good with the backing he's had I don't think so. To come out at the top of a sport and show the maturity he has says to me a lot more is down to tallent than to his backing. The backing has just got him to the top faster, Ron spotted the tallent through thousands of youngsters and its made for a far more interesting years F1 than usual, the latest press release looks hopeful though http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/7029797.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 It seems the FIA have come to thier sences and ruled in favour of Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 C,mon guys just watched the incident on on Planet F 1 .com clearly shows hamilton pulling out of the safety car spray over to the right and Webber panic breaking and getting shunted!! should penalise Webber in my opinion , must ask if Pushkin would make such anti Hamilton remarks if it had been coultard under such scrutiny?? Coultard wasnt much good when he drove for Maclaren was he?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Berettaman1, I'm not making anti Hamilton remarks - I'm commenting on how slewed everything seems to be towards him - over and above Alonso. One of the points I raised in the starting sentence was this - our own Brit is in with a chance (and a good un at that) of winning - I don't see that as being anti? I am full of admiration for Lewis and his obvious talent but, I don't see that as a reason to see that he gets preferential treatment and far greater support than his team mate. I was also full of admiration for Alonso when he won his first world championship - even though he was driving a Renault - and boy, did he drive the seat out of that car to win it. Alonso coming to McLaren was a great boost for the team and in the first year he could do nothing wrong - this year though - everyone seems to hate his guts because we have a British driver who can really drive. I don't think he deserved to be treated the way he has been and nor do I think he deserved the scorn that the British press have placed at his door - all because a British driver was doing so well. Previous to Lewis this year, the press were all over Alonso citiing him as the greatest thing since sliced bread and about all the good things he had done for McLaren - changed days now though. I truly hope one of them wins the championship whether it is this weekend or at the next race after. Regards Coulthard:- well let's just say he had his chance and messed it up twice - why - will we ever really know what happened in that race when he let Mika pass him at the line? We know what he told everyone later _ let's be honest here - he drove a brilliant race that day - but letting Mika pass him out of gentlemanly behaviour - Come On!!!!! Prior to that it was when he was team mate to Damon Hill, all the excuses under the sun but - when it came down to it he just couldn't beat the guy. David is a good ambassador for the sport - especially now he is the oldest driver in the championship and doing really well with Red Bull's new car and engine but - it is points you need to put on the table at the end of the day and nothing else will do. Jackie Stewart proved that and before him Jim Clark did the same. We had another brilliant British driver for a while there - but he succumbed to the bright lights and the big money and the big name team - and he is really toiling now whilst his parent team from when he started is again starting to make inroads with points. Guessed who I'm talking about yet? Why Jensen Button of course. That guy really does have the potential to do well but certainly not with the team he is with at present. Frank must have had to think long and hard about letting him go to Honda - the sad thing is it was Frank himself who told him to go to another team and get some more real experience of F1 racing and then he was supposed to go back to Williams after a year (or was it 2?). Does anyone else think there are similarities between the start of Jensen's career (except he didn't score so many points as Lewis) and Lewis's? I wouldn't like to see the same end result for Lewis.l Ah to heck with it, the qualifying is on in the wee hours of tomorrow I might just have a beer and sit up to watch it. Enjoy the race on Sunday folks - whoever wins! (Lord - let it be a McLaren ) Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Good news, but not sure if I should tell you if you are going to watch the qualifying this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Gutted - heading up the A12 this morning we tuned into the race in China only to find out he'd retired, what on earth were McLaren thinking of, or was it Hamilton's decision to stay out on the wet tires so long. Either way a poor tactical decision will take this one to the last race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I think most of us are prepared to forgive and support Hamilton through everything.................we need a British World Champion in something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 I think most of us are prepared to forgive and support Hamilton through everything.................we need a British World Champion in something. We allready have two........ Digweed and faulds!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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