mr_colt Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Had the interview this morning, Got the third degree all the way through almost; about my health problems (I am medically fit to drive.) Had to go through them explaining why they wouldnt affect my posession and use of firearms. Then the same for every medication. Then had the normal bits about why u want a shotgun, security etc. I told him about I was going to store carts seperate from guns and secure. FEO TOLD ME HE KEEPS HIS CARTS IN HIS CABINET WITH THE SHOTTIES! Then got the spanish inquisition from him over a few allegations to social services when I was briefly in care after a family break down: One for accessing some "Pyrotechnic" sites, was a paintball supply site as a friend wanted to look at some smoke devices. Why this is contentious I don't know. Also for discovering I had downloaded some run-of-the-mill porn whilst under 18 (16 at time), is that really a serious issue??? Both of these allegations were presented without any evidence as far as I can tell. Yet its been spread onto some record and copied to the damn GP at some stage. The whole thing stinks of the GP doing a hatchet job on the med report out of spite. Cryptically at the end of the interview he said: "If I didn't think you should be granted a cert I would tell you. But it is up to the licensing manager to review and make a decision." Obviously this is just an overview as the whole thing would take ages to recount and was pretty standard. I talked about where I was going for shooting lessons etc. I felt like I was being treated like someone who had to constantly prove he was innocent. I am really worried I might not get a cert now. Help/ideas anyone? mr_colt. P.S. I can understand what it must have been like for cartridge now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 FEO TOLD ME HE KEEPS HIS CARTS IN HIS CABINET WITH THE SHOTTIES! Sorry to hear of your woes mate and hope that certificate is safely on its way, however the sentence above seriously troubles me as my FEO said keep the cartridges pretty much anywhere BUT NOT in the cabinet! Strange, that doesn't sit quite right with me that? Store your shotgun ammunition separately from your guns. The law does not require you to keep shotgun cartridges secure; however, it is good practice to do so. They are best stored in a cool, dry place where inquisitive children cannot get hold of them. From - http://www.basc.org.uk/content/shotgunpractice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 All I can say is good luck to you. I had depression on my record and, after a GP interview, got my license with minimal trouble. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 FEO TOLD ME HE KEEPS HIS CARTS IN HIS CABINET WITH THE SHOTTIES! He obviously doesn't keep very manay cartridges then, I would like to see him get 2-3000 in there I have quoted this before but here it is again, when I showed one of my FEO's my cabinet there were some cartidges sat right next to it. I said "are they OK there or would you like me to move them?" He said "if your shotguns is locked up they aren't any use to anyone, you can leave them there if you like" He is a shooter and very sensible FEO which helps enormously. I wonder how many people are thinking about their web browsing history now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Dont think a web browsing history will effect most people. I became an issue for mr colt because someone had decided to put it in his medical notes. Everyone downloads a bit of porn every now and again. When i first had internet connection, and had an evening to myself the the first thing i did was put "*******" into the search engine. I think bringing up this kind of thing in mr colts interview is a step too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr W Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Also for discovering I had downloaded some run-of-the-mill porn whilst under 18 (16 at time), is that really a serious issue??? Fingers crossed for you, you should be fine. It's a bit harsh to hold things against you, you did as a kid. And as for the porn, if they'd had the internet when I was a kid I'd (a) have never of left my room) and ( be blind by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 FEO TOLD ME HE KEEPS HIS CARTS IN HIS CABINET WITH THE SHOTTIES! When I had my interview he said I could keep the cartridges in the cabinet with the gun, I was a bit shocked as I thought they had to be kept separate as well Must have changed the rules and not told anyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU! (Unfortunately, he's not taking much notice of the silent invasion of this country by so-called 'asylum seekers'; some time in the future, this resident army will be armed to the teeth and in no need of landing craft. We won't know what has hit us!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 It sounds like the surfing may have been done while in care so not monitored from else where. I guess you will have to wait and see the police can only go on what they are told and what they have on file with regard to you and how you seem during the interview. I can't see what relevance surfing for porn would be, obvioulsy you are on medications and without knowing what for its impossible to say whether it will be an issue. Still good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 The "cartridges separate from the shotgun" myth has been around for years. I have always believed it to be due to the confusion with firearm requirements, where the ammunition is stored separate from the weapons. With regard to the Authorities knowing about your Internet browsing history, unless you tell them, or they have access to your PC, how are they going to find out ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Access to you ISP's logs. It's easy when you know the connection time, the username and the account number and I belive the new RIPA lets them do a lot of things. Still dodgy though as it's not illeagal and I could have sworn that they had to ask first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Sorry did I miss something, WHAT THE HELL DOES LOOKING AT SOME BIRD JUGGLING HER TUPPENNIES HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT HE IS RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HOLD AN SGC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus, I bet every lad between the age of 12-16 has looked at Porn magazines, pictures, internet, video, DVD, book of some description. It's natural and if they haven't they're either lying or abnormal. I know I did and got caught at school when I was 11 with a mag. Jesus the thrashing I got when I got home was unbelievable as both my Mum and Dad had to come to the school to get me. I kinda understand the Pyrotechnic thing, but still fail to see the relevance if only a paintball site. Again lads of that age, find guns and the like interesting especially seeing as paintball is a game. Not sure if you have or not, but join BASC and if you get refused the SGC, then get the BASC legal department to take the case on (its what you pay your membership fee for). Guarantee it gets overturned To be fair to the GP, she has guidelines she has to follow, and it maybe that the questions are structured in such a way that makes it seem worse than it actually is. Must admit, I think twice about going to the GP if feeling low or stressed through work. If people think I'm stressed now, just wait until they try to take my SGC from me I can only imagine the turmoil, state of mind of being put in care, for what ever length of time and am sure thatthe record was just kept to make sure that you were doing ok mentally with all the upheaval. All the best, and I'm sure it will be fine. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 How and why did your gp know that you had been downloading porn? What possible relevance could it possibly have except to prove that you have the normal urges the most men have? and what business is it of the feo to bring it up? I fail to see how the gp has the right to bring it up, its not a medical condition and its not a crime. And as for not knowing what your medication is for, 75% of my patients dont have a clue!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 The porn bit was from when he was in the care of social services hence using their net connection. Obviously he got pulled up for it while in care which is why its on his file, that and the pyrotechnic site, would have been enough to raise concern. We don't have all the facts and to me it seems like the doctor and FEO are doing a thorough check and have brought the issues up at the Interview. If they are happy then he'll get the cert so everyone can settle down they're not going to check your porn viewing history before your next renewal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 To not grant him a license on either of those grounds is very lame, sounds like they are looking for excuses.......almost sounds prejudiced!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I was a kid I'd (a) have never of left my room) and (cool.gif be blind by now. Who said that? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Could I ask, are you a member of a relevant body, BASC, CPSA....... ? and what age are you now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_colt Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Full member of the BASC. I am 19 now and am financially independant etc etc. Yeah the P.C. socials must have put it in with an unrelated health report at some stage. Main problem is the GP doesn't like me and would enjoy seeing me be declined a cert (Long story.) I would have changed DR's already but it would have probably messed up this application. The FEO also picked up on the fact that I had been in temp accomodation during that time. Well that is to be expected if you were not old enough to sign your own tenancy isn't it? However I have lived in my current private let for over 6 months now and have gone onto a long-term tenancy, I told him I expect to be here for the next 6yrs minimum whilst I am at University. This isn't a typical student let either: It is a secure home in the middle of quiet surburbia. The BASC have provided me with application advice previous to this and they couldnt see why I should not hold cert either. The physical health was demeaning as I had already stated to them that the DVLA assessed I was fit to drive. He spotted one of the medicines (the GP reported) I was on was an Opioid pain killer ; Even though I explained to them it was weaker than o.t.c co-codamol it still seemed to take a long toime to get him round to the fact it was not going to affect me shooting. God knows what the Disabled target shooters have to go through when they apply for their certs. I know I'm not 100% when it comes to physical mobility but it does not give problems when it comes to shooting-stances and the like. To give you an idea; you could compare me to that character "House (Hugh Laurie)" of the TV series of the same name. Yeah I really am feeling that "Second Class citizen" treatment us shooters often get. And can you blame me? mr_colt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Codeine belongs to group of medicines called opioids. Opioids mimic the effects of naturally occurring pain reducing chemicals (endorphins) that are found in the brain and spinal cord. They act on the opioid receptors in the brain and block the transmission of pain signals. becaus its works like an opoid does not mean that it contains opiates, i hope that you made that clear to the feo. Probably half the people using this board take co-codamol!!! its a very common drug, i take it...usually after Ive been shooting. When you first start taking it it can make you light headed but if you have been on it a while that wears off. Sounds like they are digging for excuses.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 How and why did your gp know that you had been downloading porn? What possible relevance could it possibly have except to prove that you have the normal urges the most men have? and what business is it of the feo to bring it up? I fail to see how the gp has the right to bring it up, its not a medical condition and its not a crime. And as for not knowing what your medication is for, 75% of my patients dont have a clue!!! and who-ever complained about my previous post would they please like to pm me and explain unless you are too sensitive? You have PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Even policemen have blue helmets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Countryman Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Can only endorse the other guys advice to get BASC involved. They are usually very good at sorting unfair treatment where applicable and as you are a member I really think you should be keeping them updated as things happen with your application. You will be amazed at the lengths they will go to assist you. Best of luck to you. Lots of us rooting for you and keep us all posted as to how you do please. Sx Ctymn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Get the BASC in on it, your GP is not there to say whether you are fit or not to hold a SGC/FAC, just to give relevant details such as medicines and mental health, he should be reported for giving the other information, unless of course, the FEO was devious. I used to have a letter to send to the GP prior to him being approached by the FEO and have wiped it, however the BASC will put you right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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