Held at gun point

[Walker570]

PUT IT DOWN !!! NOW!!! seems a better order.     In the USA, certainly my experience in Texas, is you keep both hands on top of the steering wheel until asked for your details when you would very slowly and cautiously retrieve them from wherever they where kept.  Always on the sun shade for me.  I have been stopped four or five times in Texas for minor infringements but officers always dealt with the approach etc in the same way.    Whilst riding with a Californian Highway Patrolman for the day I was told to be ready to pick up and use the Wingmaster from the gun rack betwen the front seats should it be necessary.  His partner had been shot and wounded the month before when stopping a Mexican truck driver.

We pulled in a similar Mexican truck on the freeway and have you ever had that half crown sixpence feeling???

[enfieldspares]

10 hours ago, McSpredder said:

Quite a part from damage to the shooter's property, it sounds like a reckless thing to do.   Nobody can be certain which way a dropped gun will be pointing when it hits the gound, or whether the trigger will catch on clothing as it falls, or on a twig when it lands, or whether the impact alone might be sufficient to cause a discharge.   I wonder what the training manual says.

Yes. It also can cause those surrounding the detained person to then expect an action or movement from him or her that the detained person can then make use of to "go for" a concealed weapon whilst everyone else's attention is on the weapon being dropped.

[Gas seal]

He was driving a vehicle ,about to go onto the road to get supplies  ,when he was stopped by the police. He was wearing a cartridge belt when stopped . I don’t know why he explained that he was 200 metres away from a boundary. I have been stopped by the police when shooting or carrying a gun for over sixty years from the local police man who would always remove his bicycle clips before he spoke to police in panda cars  firearms police and police in helicopters. No one ever told me to drop the gun/ weapon. People and times have changed and will change even more. 

[HantsRob]

17 hours ago, London Best said:

The thing is, no shooter is going to want to DROP his gun, which could be worth many thousands of pounds and he has saved all his life to buy. 

Being asked (told) to lay it down is a totally different thing.

I would not drop one of my guns to the ground, even if it was a rough old single barrel.

Sorry did I post that? If so I apologise. Yes, absolutely lay it down nice and slowly, step away etc. 

No-one wants an accidental discharge!

[Walker570]

2 hours ago, HantsRob said:

Sorry did I post that? If so I apologise. Yes, absolutely lay it down nice and slowly, step away etc. 

No-one wants an accidental discharge!

Certainly not from an over eager police firearms officer in full flow.

[Dave-G]

7 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Certainly not from an over eager police firearms officer in full flow.

I have to say I was a bit brief in my query about 'dropping the rifle' The way I read at least one post/report is the command was to the effect of drop your gun and come here. 

That means leaving a rifle unattended and out of my sight - likely being handled by the police while face down in the dirt or grass - who knows what they might do to it.

[Walker570]

Well I think the support for the approach training etc goes out of the window this morning..

Daily Telegraph report of a 93 year old disabled wheelchair bound man dies after being tasered by police.

 

Apparent;ly he was brandishing a knife.

Now, one of the last jobs I was called to in my service was a young 19year old woman mental patient brandishing a large kitchen knife at her parents. She had been allowed out of the mental home for the weekend.  On arrival we discovered her in the bathroom still brandishing the knife. My colleague(police woman) secured the door whilst I went to the parents bedroom and got a large double duvet. Ont he count of three we burst into the bathroom and enveloped the poor girl in the duvet and putting her to the ground.  We then located the knife which she had dropped and restrained her whilst her arms where safely secured behind her with some scarves and similarly her legs. In those days an ambulance could be expected within minutes and she was safely loaded in the back and we escorted her back to the hospital.

Don't tell me after 14 years as a tactical firearms officer and 28 years on the front line PC covering all eventualities that a careless discharge cannot take place.   I decline to comment on the use of a taser in this case.

[old man]

On 26/07/2022 at 04:46, Houseplant said:

Shocking story/experience for the OP. Thought it would just be a matter of time before reading something like this happening in the UK (or even NZ). A man with a gun on a "block of winter barley" is a completely different kettle of fish to a man with a gun at a school or shopping centre. What were the police thinking? 

As for the politically correct stuff, there may be a point to be made, but as ever it detracts from the important message which is a law-abiding individual being held at gunpoint for no good reason! Some perspective please.

Absolutely correct.

[Westley]

12 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Well I think the support for the approach training etc goes out of the window this morning..

Daily Telegraph report of a 93 year old disabled wheelchair bound man dies after being tasered by police.

 

Apparent;ly he was brandishing a knife.

Now, one of the last jobs I was called to in my service was a young 19year old woman mental patient brandishing a large kitchen knife at her parents. She had been allowed out of the mental home for the weekend.  On arrival we discovered her in the bathroom still brandishing the knife. My colleague(police woman) secured the door whilst I went to the parents bedroom and got a large double duvet. Ont he count of three we burst into the bathroom and enveloped the poor girl in the duvet and putting her to the ground.  We then located the knife which she had dropped and restrained her whilst her arms where safely secured behind her with some scarves and similarly her legs. In those days an ambulance could be expected within minutes and she was safely loaded in the back and we escorted her back to the hospital.

Don't tell me after 14 years as a tactical firearms officer and 28 years on the front line PC covering all eventualities that a careless discharge cannot take place.   I decline to comment on the use of a taser in this case.

But 'mental homes' no longer exist and their occupants are loose on the streets. It comes to something when some Forces have a special mobile unit consisting of 2 Police Officers and a Psychiatric Nurse just to deal with those with a 'mental problem'. Something else dumped on to the Police to deal with.

[Walker570]

Yup.  Big mistake again when such homes where closed. Same in the USA which has resulted in a number of murders and mass attacks..