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[ordnance]

1 hour ago, 51/50 said:

I'll add to my previous post.

Unvaccinated,never once wore a mask,went about life/work as normal as possible,never got covid,i've been taking high strength vitamin D for years & it turns out vitamin D is a great defence against covid,it's also been many years since i've had a flu or common cold,i've never had the flu vax either & never will.

My son,unvaccinated,worked right through covid (except the first strict lockdown),he caught covid once & suffered no more than mild flu symptons for four days.

My partner,unvaccinated,worked right through covid (except the first strict lockdown),she caught covid once & suffered no more than mild flu symptoms for 6 days.

I have quite a few unvaccinated friends & aquaintances & have met plenty other unvaccinated people who have had & know of similar experiences.

I also know & have met plenty other vaccinated people who have all had covid & it absolutely floored them,some of them caught covid more than once & each time the symptoms were worse than the last,it is without doubt the vaccinated people that are spreading covid,the proof is out there.

I'm meeting more & more people who have been vaccinated & boosted & are now at their wits end because they are aware of what's really going on with these vaccinations.

I am aware of 3 deaths local to me that occured within weeks of them receiving the vaccinations,3 fit & healthy people,one under the age of 30,one just turned 40,one in his late fifties,another lad i know,again fit & healthy,just turned 40,got his first booster,was very ill for 3 weeks then suffered a heart attack,fortunately he's still here to tell the tale & now wishes he'd listened to the folk that told him not to get vaccinated.

The world is slowly but surely waking up to what's really going on but sadly there's still an abundance of people who watch & believe the blatant lies & propaganda the main stream media are still peddling (although some are reportedly back-peddling because the truth is catching up with them)

On the other hand though there's more & more people getting real & true information from new uncensored platforms that were created to give silenced academics & physicians etc a voice.

What's coming to light now is only the tip of the iceberg,frightening times ahead,very frightening.

An interesting link for anyone interested in listening to actual facts from those who are qualified to give these facts & valued morals more than corrupt money...

https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/declaration-iv-restore-scientific-integrity

 

 

 

 

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I also know & have met plenty other vaccinated people who have all had covid & it absolutely floored them,some of them caught covid more than once & each time the symptoms were worse than the last,it is without doubt the vaccinated people that are spreading covid,the proof is out there.

And i know people that have had mild heart attacks and people that have had serious ones, people that have had mild colds and some that had more severe colds, what does that prove nothing just like your examples just anecdotal observations. 

Edited October 1, 2022 by ordnance

[tweedledee]

8 hours ago, ordnance said:

And i know people that have had mild heart attacks and people that have had serious ones, people that have had mild colds and some that had more severe colds, what does that prove nothing just like your examples just anecdotal observations. 

Have you read the Pfizer documents released???? You know the ones they tried to hide from mankind for 75 years?? The ones now being released thanks to a judge in America?? I have....maybe you should research them....it's all there to read for yourself

[tweedledee]

https://youtu.be/1Qhm1_n84so 

 

My point being is that harm Is being done here and some of it life changing....needs paused and looked at again

Edited October 2, 2022 by tweedledee

[ordnance]

5 hours ago, tweedledee said:

https://youtu.be/1Qhm1_n84so 

 

My point being is that harm Is being done here and some of it life changing....needs paused and looked at again

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Quote Controversial Liberal Senator Gerard Rennick has had his anti-vax nonsense shut down by the chair of the government’s COVID inquiry Katy Gallagher and honestly, it’s about time.  Rennick, who has made a name for himself for sharing anti-vaccine content on social media, made outlandish and unfounded claims about COVID-19 vaccines.

 

[51/50]

15 hours ago, ordnance said:

And i know people that have had mild heart attacks and people that have had serious ones, people that have had mild colds and some that had more severe colds, what does that prove nothing just like your examples just anecdotal observations. 

Some more anecdotal observations for you sir.....

 

 

[tweedledee]

29 minutes ago, 51/50 said:

Some more anecdotal observations for you sir.....

 

 

No talking to some folk.....

[ordnance]

1 hour ago, 51/50 said:

Some more anecdotal observations for you sir.....

 

 

You might think its news that some people have side-effects to Covid vaccines, sorry to burst your bubble but we already know, and knowing that we make our decision on vaccine yes or no.   

Question, tell me medications that do not have actual and possible side-effects ? 

 

[tweedledee]

Just now, ordnance said:

You might think its news that some people have side-effects to Covid vaccines, sorry to burst your bubble but we already know, and knowing that we make our decision on vaccine yes or no.   

Question, tell me medications that do not have actual and possible side-effects ? 

 

Yes but this vaccine has killed more than all other vaccines since the 80s...they are usually halted in that case...not this time as too much money to be made!!!!

[ordnance]

4 minutes ago, tweedledee said:

Yes but this vaccine has killed more than all other vaccines since the 80s...they are usually halted in that case...not this time as too much money to be made!!!!

Have you reliable figures of how many people Covid vaccines have killed, if not you are just posting unfounded speculation.

[tweedledee]

23 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Have you reliable figures of how many people Covid vaccines have killed, if not you are just posting unfounded speculation.

Can you get me ingredients of the jabs?? Were you warned of side affects before??? My point is folk are not properly informed!!!!!...ps read the Pfizer report then come back and give me your thoughts...I have it on pdf bit can't share it here

[ditchman]

38 minutes ago, ordnance said:

You might think its news that some people have side-effects to Covid vaccines, sorry to burst your bubble but we already know, and knowing that we make our decision on vaccine yes or no.   

Question, tell me medications that do not have actual and possible side-effects ? 

 

im on several meds for chest ...heart...lungs....diabetes...etc.

every 2-3 months i dont take any of them for a week..........i do it to try and clear my system...i only do it when im not under stress and i eat a very plain diet.........im always amazed at on day 3 or 4 how clear headed i feel ...my shakes stop..

then after a week i return to my daily dose ..which returns my sugars back to normal ..my SATS return to normal and my brain gets fuzzed up sometimes during the day

THERE IS ALWAYS A TRADE OFF

[Scully]

1 hour ago, tweedledee said:

Yes but this vaccine has killed more than all other vaccines since the 80s...they are usually halted in that case...not this time as too much money to be made!!!!

I’d be very interested to know where you’ve got this information. 

[serrac]

20 hours ago, ordnance said:

You might think its news that some people have side-effects to Covid vaccines, sorry to burst your bubble but we already know, and knowing that we make our decision on vaccine yes or no.   

Question, tell me medications that do not have actual and possible side-effects ? 

 

A ridiculous question given that even water and air have actual and possible side-effects.
The difference is that water and air are essential to life, whereas the covid jabs have no proven benefits.

[ordnance]

7 hours ago, serrac said:

A ridiculous question given that even water and air have actual and possible side-effects.
The difference is that water and air are essential to life, whereas the covid jabs have no proven benefits.

In your opinion, plenty of people that know what they are talking about would disagree.

[serrac]

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

In your opinion, plenty of people that know what they are talking about would disagree.

Then they would be wrong - just like you

[Robden]

On 02/10/2022 at 17:24, ditchman said:

im on several meds for chest ...heart...lungs....diabetes...etc.

every 2-3 months i dont take any of them for a week..........i do it to try and clear my system...i only do it when im not under stress and i eat a very plain diet.........im always amazed at on day 3 or 4 how clear headed i feel ...my shakes stop..

then after a week i return to my daily dose ..which returns my sugars back to normal ..my SATS return to normal and my brain gets fuzzed up sometimes during the day

THERE IS ALWAYS A TRADE OFF

A friend of mine did exactly as you've described above and had the same results.  He told his GP (have you) about it. His GP looked into it and decided to start reducing his meds.  My friend now takes a lot less meds than before and looks and feels a hell of a lot better.  I should add, that the GP that ordered the reduction in meds, was not the original GP.

[Gordon R]

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Have you reliable figures of how many people Covid vaccines have killed, if not you are just posting unfounded speculation.

ordnance has taken stick for his views from a couple of posters. He has asked a legitimate question, but I don't see a reply which answers this. Time to put up or shut up.

[ditchman]

3 hours ago, Robden said:

A friend of mine did exactly as you've described above and had the same results.  He told his GP (have you) about it. His GP looked into it and decided to start reducing his meds.  My friend now takes a lot less meds than before and looks and feels a hell of a lot better.  I should add, that the GP that ordered the reduction in meds, was not the original GP.

im going down that route as im now due a reveiw as i am at a different practice now..

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Gordon R said:

ordnance has taken stick for his views from a couple of posters. He has asked a legitimate question, but I don't see a reply which answers this. Time to put up or shut up.

This. I’ve asked also, but nothing forthcoming. 🤷‍♂️

[Penelope]

23 hours ago, serrac said:

A ridiculous question given that even water and air have actual and possible side-effects.
The difference is that water and air are essential to life, whereas the covid jabs have no proven benefits.

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Penelope

[serrac]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

This. I’ve asked also, but nothing forthcoming. 🤷‍♂️

Cue a flood of protests that this doesn't really show what it appears to...
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https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, serrac said:

Cue a flood of protests that this doesn't really show what it appears to...
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https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

Not a flood of protests, just a simple quote (and a link to it's source).

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, raw VAERS data has often been disseminated by anti-vaccine groups in order to justify misinformation and safety claims related to COVID-19 vaccines, including adverse reactions and alleged fatalities claimed to have been caused by vaccines.^[17][19] Websites such as Medalerts (published by the anti-vaccine group National Vaccine Information Center) and OpenVAERS (which published a tally of vaccine adverse events and fatalities allegedly linked to COVID-19 vaccines based on VAERS data), have been linked to this misinformation.^[19]Comparative studies of VAERS, which look at relative reporting rates, have found that the data does not support these claims."

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System

[serrac]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Not a flood of protests, just a simple quote (and a link to it's source).

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, raw VAERS data has often been disseminated by anti-vaccine groups in order to justify misinformation and safety claims related to COVID-19 vaccines, including adverse reactions and alleged fatalities claimed to have been caused by vaccines.^[17][19] Websites such as Medalerts (published by the anti-vaccine group National Vaccine Information Center) and OpenVAERS (which published a tally of vaccine adverse events and fatalities allegedly linked to COVID-19 vaccines based on VAERS data), have been linked to this misinformation.^[19]Comparative studies of VAERS, which look at relative reporting rates, have found that the data does not support these claims."

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_Adverse_Event_Reporting_System

So what IS the explanation for the massive spike in reported deaths following the covid jab rollout?

It's all very well to claim anti-vaxxers are misrepresenting the data but we need to see a convincing alternative explanation.  Could you give a summary of how you think relative reporting rates data "does not support these claims", with evidence?

In any case there is a wealth of data-points which support the "occams razor" interpretation of the Vaers data.  For example the released FDA docs show ~1200 deaths were reported to Pfizer within three months of the release of their vaccine.  Should we assign Pfizer and the FDA to the anti-vaxx sin bin too?

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by serrac

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, serrac said:

Could you give a summary of how relative reporting rates data "does not support these claims", with evidence?

No I can't - because you have read all I have read.  I have read many things - and the VAST majority are clear that taking the vaccine is far less risky than not taking it.  Similarly virtually all Gov't bodies in all major '1st world' countties advise vaccination.

What I can tell you (from my own personal contacts) is that I have among my circle of friends/relatives: two hospital doctors, two GP doctor, a GP doctor (retired) and they ALL advise having all of the Covid vaccines - and have all had them themselves.    My local surgery/GP practice and their local NHS Health Trust (or whatever it calls itself) urges us all to get vaccinated.  These are all people in the front line of delivering medical services are care.

I have a friend who did have a stroke as a (probably) result of the first vaccine, but had gone on to have three other vaccine boosters - because he firmly believes it is less risky than Covid (for him) - his doctor and stroke specialist both agree.

The case for me has overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is the safer and lower risk path.

[serrac]

5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No I can't - because you have read all I have read.  I have read many things - and the VAST majority are clear that taking the vaccine is far less risky than not taking it.  Similarly virtually all Gov't bodies in all major '1st world' countties advise vaccination.

What I can tell you (from my own personal contacts) is that I have among my circle of friends/relatives: two hospital doctors, two GP doctor, a GP doctor (retired) and they ALL advise having all of the Covid vaccines - and have all had them themselves.    My local surgery/GP practice and their local NHS Health Trust (or whatever it calls itself) urges us all to get vaccinated.  These are all people in the front line of delivering medical services are care.

I have a friend who did have a stroke as a (probably) result of the first vaccine, but had gone on to have three other vaccine boosters - because he firmly believes it is less risky than Covid (for him) - his doctor and stroke specialist both agree.

The case for me has overwhelming evidence that the vaccine is the safer and lower risk path.

Fair enough.
Anyone else want to have a go at explaining away the signals in the VAERS data?