Another shotkam thread...

[old'un]

14 hours ago, Shotkam said:

That is the beauty of a ShotKam - everything can be slowed down and it all makes so much more sense when you take the guesswork/ perception out of the equation !

How can you analyse the footage of a video with so many variables?

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, old'un said:

How can you analyse the footage of a video with so many variables?

This is my thinking also, but I’ve given up now. 🤷‍♂️

[TK421]

17 hours ago, Shotkam said:

That is the beauty of a ShotKam - everything can be slowed down and it all makes so much more sense when you take the guesswork/ perception out of the equation !

The real beauty of Shotkam is they sell for alright money second hand 😉

[Shotkam]

5 hours ago, old'un said:

How can you analyse the footage of a video with so many variables?

After you have watched and analysed a few 1000, it becomes second nature believe it or not.

[London Best]

I don’t think I have ever watched a video taken on a shot kam by anybody that could actually shoot.

Edited November 24, 2022 by London Best

[old'un]

9 minutes ago, Shotkam said:

After you have watched and analysed a few 1000, it becomes second nature believe it or not.

You must have a bloody good memory to remember every shot in a 1000 videos.

[HantsRob]

Shotkam v4 review with Jonny

 

 

[Scully]

5 hours ago, London Best said:

I don’t think I have ever watched a video taken on a shot kam by anybody that could actually shoot.

Geoff Garrod decoying on YouTube. 

[Pops_Hants]

1 hour ago, HantsRob said:

Shotkam v4 review with Jonny

 

 

£649!!! 😳😳😳😳

That’s outrageous. 

[sishyplops]

Got mine in the Black Friday deal for £549 pity fed ex delivered it today to someone else !!!👎

[Pops_Hants]

3 minutes ago, sishyplops said:

Got mine in the Black Friday deal for £549 pity fed ex delivered it today to someone else !!!👎

I don’t feel that £549 is even a good deal.

I know it’s not the same product but it seems the most apt comparison.

a go pro is £550, reduced to £300 in the sale. Go pro’s have far more functionalities and are still cheaper. I feel SK is taking the jimmy riddle at this point 

[sishyplops]

I think if you’re using it to replay a days shooting then yes a gro pro is a much better choice , but to analyse lead (particularly maintained lead) I found it incredibly helpful , yes you need the same given target eg if you consistently miss station 4 in skeet , you can slow it right down and see the shot in relation to the clay, whenever I watched mine back I kept saying pull the trigger now but then you could see me pulling further in front , mainly on high tower or fast high crossers , I’m a half decent shot and have a 90% average at cpsa sporting although that was last year snd haven’t shot a sporting registered since then, and although no longer valid my Cpsa dashboard has me in AAA class , (not bragging but just to show I’m not new to this ) but i shot a sportrap and got 58 !! New gun, new carts from the norm, new glasses etc etc , so when fed ex sort their mistake out I’m really looking forward to trying the gen 4 out, as said before should not have sold the gen 3 but it helped me solve the issue at the time 

[vmaxphil]

9 hours ago, sishyplops said:

Got mine in the Black Friday deal for £549 pity fed ex delivered it today to someone else !!!👎

Have to say thanks for the early birthday present will give it a go Sunday 👍 😁

[HantsRob]

10 hours ago, Pops_Hants said:

I don’t feel that £549 is even a good deal.

I know it’s not the same product but it seems the most apt comparison.

a go pro is £550, reduced to £300 in the sale. Go pro’s have far more functionalities and are still cheaper. I feel SK is taking the jimmy riddle at this point 

£100 off a "premium product" is pretty good for a brand that rarely if ever discounts. 

But, if you sell your shotkam v3 for £350, then it's only £199 to upgrade

I'll admit you can't compare too well. A lot of that £649 is the nice little crosshairs you don't have on the gopro. That's gotta be worth £300! aha

[TK421]

7 minutes ago, HantsRob said:

£100 off a "premium product" is pretty good for a brand that rarely if ever discounts. 

But, if you sell your shotkam v3 for £350, then it's only £199 to upgrade

I'll admit you can't compare too well. A lot of that £649 is the nice little crosshairs you don't have on the gopro. That's gotta be worth £300! aha

Rarely discount? Shotkam have and run multiple sales and discounts every year? 

[Pops_Hants]

23 minutes ago, HantsRob said:

£100 off a "premium product" is pretty good for a brand that rarely if ever discounts. 

But, if you sell your shotkam v3 for £350, then it's only £199 to upgrade

I'll admit you can't compare too well. A lot of that £649 is the nice little crosshairs you don't have on the gopro. That's gotta be worth £300! aha

haha, I get what you're saying, but it is still a 16% discount off an already over priced product, vs Go Pro's approach of a 27% discount off of a cheaper yet I think a more refined and technological capable product.

I know we've discussed in person, and both agree - it's not worth it.

 

16 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Rarely discount? Shotkam have and run multiple sales and discounts every year? 

I haven't been looking long, but as far as I've seen they only run sales on Black Friday, especially being an American company. I think Rob means in comparison against other companies, such as Go Pro who offer Black Friday, Christmas, Jan sales, Easter sales etc etc. Searching for shotkam, I've only found Black Friday sales? Happy to be corrected though

[TK421]

19 minutes ago, Pops_Hants said:

haha, I get what you're saying, but it is still a 16% discount off an already over priced product, vs Go Pro's approach of a 27% discount off of a cheaper yet I think a more refined and technological capable product.

I know we've discussed in person, and both agree - it's not worth it.

 

I haven't been looking long, but as far as I've seen they only run sales on Black Friday, especially being an American company. I think Rob means in comparison against other companies, such as Go Pro who offer Black Friday, Christmas, Jan sales, Easter sales etc etc. Searching for shotkam, I've only found Black Friday sales? Happy to be corrected though

Shotkam also do similar discounts. Father’s Day new year Easter etc

Edited November 25, 2022 by TK421

[Pops_Hants]

49 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Shotkam also do similar discounts. Father’s Day new year Easter etc

Nice they do it more than once at least I guess!

 

Although this topic has now become about pricing etc and diverting away from the original question - I think it best someone close this thread  

[bishopp1]

My M3 helped me realize how I naturally shoot and that I was moving the gun too much chasing the clay this and the lessons and reviews of the lessons improved my shooting so I'm happy. 

Selling my mk 3 at the moment and will probably get a mk 4 on the father's Day sale a good toy .

People are happy to pay 6k and lots more for two tubes nailed to a bit of wood that shoots no better than  a 2k bit of wood with two tubes nailed on . Oh but but the engraving and the wood . Kills nothing.

 

On 14/11/2022 at 15:34, TK421 said:

All good points but everyone sees lead differently. I try not to focus on lead more on gun speed which has more of an influencing factor on sight picture and perceived lead.
Gun speed and hold point. Both can be different and both can result in a hit or miss. Both with a perceived difference in lead. 

Camera sees lead and speed the same every time 

[TK421]

32 minutes ago, bishopp1 said:

 

Camera sees lead and speed the same every time 

That doesn’t even make sense? What do your eyes see every time, that’s what’s important? Regardless of what you see 10 minutes after you’ve shot a bird missed it and reviewed it. 
To each his own… there’s plenty for sale for a reason YMMV