Raab has Gone.

[twenty]

On 22/04/2023 at 17:56, tweedledee said:

Is this the brexiteers being weeded out??

Nigel Farage said on his show last night (GBNews), there are now 21 remainers, and only 8 brexiteers left in the top Tory posts.

[tweedledee]

19 hours ago, twenty said:

Nigel Farage said on his show last night (GBNews), there are now 21 remainers, and only 8 brexiteers left in the top Tory posts.

Yeah, plain to be seen what's happening 

[discobob]

I do recall hearing of a 12 year plan to get us back into the EU - can't recall where

[JohnfromUK]

It seems Steve Barclay may be next in line for the 'woke attack'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12018401/Health-Secretary-Steve-Barclay-hit-bullying-allegations-days-Dominic-Raab-stepped-down.html

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It seems Steve Barclay may be next in line for the 'woke attack'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12018401/Health-Secretary-Steve-Barclay-hit-bullying-allegations-days-Dominic-Raab-stepped-down.html

Yes he is being targeted in EXACTLY the same way. Not a coincidence 

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes he is being targeted in EXACTLY the same way. Not a coincidence 

I think they will also have another go for Suella Braverman very soon as well

[Vince Green]

6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I think they will also have another go for Suella Braverman very soon as well

I think so too.  They tried it on Priti Patel and they will definitely try it on her.

But what is bullying? It appears to be telling a civil servant to do what the minister wants him or her to do.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Vince Green

[JohnfromUK]

22 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I think so too.  They tried it on Priti Patel and they will definitely try it on her.

But what is bullying? It appears to be telling a civil servant to do what the minister wants him or her to do.

The civil service appear to want to remove any minister who doesn't do as the civil service tells him/her. 

The other notable and fairly 'new' thing is that we have a continual commentary from various recently retired high level civil servants - especially cabinet secretaries (Gus O'Donnell, Mark Sedwill etc.) who are basically briefing against the elected government and it's cabinet members.  I get the impression it seems to be a BBC thing mainly.  It used to be the case that all retired public service people (at senior level anyway) had a duty of confidentiality that was lifelong.  Like former Royal staff, they got gongs, honours, knighthoods, seats in the Lords on expenses for life etc. to reward them, but in return were expected to keep their traps shut.

Edited April 27, 2023 by JohnfromUK

[Vince Green]

The Civil Service loved being in the EU because they were able to hide behind it and sit on their hands all day

It was the excuse that never stopped being an excuse. Sorry we can't do that it's not  EU Policy .

Now they have to actually do something they don't like it. You can see it very clearly in their tactics.  Silent insubordination, slow everything down till it grinds to a halt. Make the government look bad in the process? That's a bonus

And when the minister gets frustrated it's bullying

Edited April 27, 2023 by Vince Green

[Keith RW]

On 21/04/2023 at 16:16, Vince Green said:

Parts of the Civil Service are seriously out of control. They don't like being told to do the job they are paid to do

 

It's not just restricted to the Civil Service I'm afraid, it's widespread throughout all areas of employment, unfortunately there are a huge amount of people out there that seriously think life, and the employer, owes them a living for very little return and whilst actually being employed will not step up to the mark and uphold their end of the bargain that they entered into.

How many times have you interviewed a prospective employee, set them on with a contract which clearly outlines their duties and responsibilities only to find out 6 months later down the line that they are a totally different person to the one that was sat in the chair opposite you only just a short while ago.

Those employers or managers that hold high standards and are "Firm but Fair" and as I was oft described, are also I am afraid, often deliberately misconstrued as being bullies by those that want to use such a tool in their box to bring them down.

The system and the namby-pamby state of society we find ourselves in is now well and truly stacked against those innocents attempting to defend themselves and their position as I think may well be the case here as its all too easy to sling mud around, cleaning it off takes a little more doing.

just my ten pence worth

Edited April 27, 2023 by Keith RW

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, Keith RW said:

It's not just restricted to the Civil Service I'm afraid, it's widespread throughout all areas of employment, unfortunately there are a huge amount of people out there that seriously think life, and the employer, owes them a living for very little return and whilst actually being employed will not step up to the mark and uphold their end of the bargain that they entered into.

How many times have you interviewed a prospective employee, set them on with a contract which clearly outlines their duties and responsibilities only to find out 6 months later down the line that they are a totally different person to the one that was sat in the chair opposite you only just a short while ago.

Those employers or managers that hold high standards and are "Firm but Fair" and as I was oft described, are also I am afraid, often deliberately misconstrued as being bullies by those that want to use such a tool in their box to bring them down.

The system and the namby-pamby state of society we find ourselves in is now well and truly stacked against those innocents attempting to defend themselves and their position as I think may well be the case here as its all too easy to sling mud around, cleaning it off takes a little more doing.

just my ten pence worth

I think that what you say is very true. One small example of the Civil Service  thinking they can do what they want and not what they are told is their refusal to give up working from home.

[Keith RW]

22 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I think that what you say is very true. One small example of the Civil Service  thinking they can do what they want and not what they are told is their refusal to give up working from home.

Again it's not just the Civil Service Vince, employees now have the right to request a change in working hours etc. to suit their commitments and that includes working from home, very difficult to argue against from a management point of view with them having done so throughout the pandemic, its an absolute nightmare at trying to run any kind of business or organisation and glad I don't have to deal with such anymore having recently jumped ship and retired.

[old man]

7 hours ago, Vince Green said:

I think so too.  They tried it on Priti Patel and they will definitely try it on her.

But what is bullying? It appears to be telling a civil servant to do what the minister wants him or her to do.

Seemingly being turned into a serious crime?

[Penelope]

20 hours ago, Keith RW said:

Again it's not just the Civil Service Vince, employees now have the right to request a change in working hours etc. to suit their commitments and that includes working from home, very difficult to argue against from a management point of view with them having done so throughout the pandemic, its an absolute nightmare at trying to run any kind of business or organisation and glad I don't have to deal with such anymore having recently jumped ship and retired.

Tenants in the City building I manage are struggling to get staff back in the office. Mondays and Fridays are dead in the City of London.

[Vince Green]

58 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Tenants in the City building I manage are struggling to get staff back in the office. Mondays and Fridays are dead in the City of London.

My youngest son works for a similar company in Birmingham. 

I have told him in no uncertain terms not to get caught in the working from home trap.

Put your face behind your desk and be seen.  

[Keith RW]

1 hour ago, Penelope said:

Tenants in the City building I manage are struggling to get staff back in the office. Mondays and Fridays are dead in the City of London.

And this is how we are supposed to rebuild the economy ????

Its going to be very difficult unless someone can possibly make a stand to turn this all around and frankly I can't see how anyone could even make a start to do so with the odds being stacked against them, it's far too easy for the employee to claim that they are  "being victimised" " or "being disadvantaged" .

Once the floodgates were opened on employees being able to continue to work from home and dictate working hours, then the die was cast and its going to take some serious sorting out.

I feel that nothing less than major restructuring of businesses where bosses will be seen as tyrants will eventually occur, and will have to, if business are to save going under. sort the wheat out from the chaff and find the employees that are willing to work for the good of all concerned.

Just to add, I accept that not all "working from home" situations are inefficient or being taken advantage of.

 

[janner]

A top k.c has found that Raab had definitely bullied,  Raab comes out with a defence that his accusers were part of a wider conspiracy by leftist within the civil service.

This is the man who, when foreign secretary rather than do the job he was paid to do just  lay on a beach and abondoned to their fate patriots who could not get out of Afghanistan.

This is the man who, when brexit secretary did not know the importance of the dover/calais trade route, 

This is the man who, when brexit secretary and in the middle of deciding the irish border question was forced to admit that he had not even read the good friday agreement, 

This is the man who insisted on choosing which journalists and organisations to be present at press conferences and blacklisting those who asked awkward questions of his competence and integrity,

He should have been sacked for the gross failures in every post he has ever held in every department he has ever run, 

Raab and many of his rabble rousing 'get brexit done' collegues are slowly and surely being found out to be the chancers that they truly are,