Alex Dick Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Can anyone help me with data for loading a 1 1/4" punt gun cartridge? I am having some made (cartrdige heads) to replicate the original Eley cartridge and need to know what the weight of powder and shot that went in was in the originals. Grateful for any advice. many tahnks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Depending what you want to use it for, the shot material will have some relevence to the load data. What material will you be using? The original Eley was, of course, lead only and is, as I`m sure you know, no longer useable on fowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 My 1.1/4 is 3 oz of black powder (coarse) 20 oz of shot lead however I now use 3oz black powder and 18 oz of steel shot and a plastic shot cup there should be some proof marks on your gun to work it out from or if you know what the original Eley load was go from that please note that it took a while to get the steel shot load working in my gun and sometimes less powder gets a better pattern as a footnote for others and I’m sure you are aware a punt gun is a obsolete caliber but it is required to be on your license if you wish to use it you also need a explosive license to have the black powder to reload the cartridge all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Only pre-war guns can be held off ticket. The powder licence is free with your SGC. See my PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted April 25, 2023 Report Share Posted April 25, 2023 Try contacting William Wykes at Wigtown Wildfowlers. He uses a punt gun, not sure of the bore diameter, and has been loading steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy baxendale Posted April 27, 2023 Report Share Posted April 27, 2023 3 1/4oz of Black to 16oz of ITM in 1.3 inch gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Dick Posted June 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 OK I have finally had the cartridge heads made! Here are a couple of photos. I don't know what the Eley load was for the 1 1/4" and would be grateful if anyone could help on that front! i will be loading with lead using Swiss BP so looking a 2oz BP + 10oz shot as a starter.....any comments? Also, any recommendations on supplies of card/wadding/Oakham? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted June 6, 2023 Report Share Posted June 6, 2023 See further PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 Please excuse my ignorance but can you use nitro powder in a punt gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 The most obvious source for punt gun loads will be the book by Stanley Duncan & Guy Thorne ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 D & T give a range of possible loads, more or less based on the 3oz to 16 oz ratio. The table shows variations by weight of gun and their caveat is that it refers "mainly to M.L. guns". Nitro is possible but most big guns were built for coarse black powder. They are often marked with a service load as above. It burns slowly and progressively and generates low pressures in old barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted June 13, 2023 Report Share Posted June 13, 2023 just slightly on a tangent ....i have been told on several times by vaious gunsmiths that black powder shotgun ammunition (if loaded well) can produce a better pattern than nitro ,,,for the above reasons that pushandpull states in his post......... anyone agree with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongeese Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Yes I agree with that ditchman, and a basis of 3oz to 16oz is about correct for 1.25" bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted June 21, 2023 Report Share Posted June 21, 2023 Alex I just noticed you are going to use swiss powder, It's now gone up to £100 a kilo now!!!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Greener Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 On 21/06/2023 at 15:46, Andy H said: Alex I just noticed you are going to use swiss powder, It's now gone up to £100 a kilo now!!!. What Swiss do they make coarse grain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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