LEFTY478 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 ASDA: Anti's have a new target. Plans to sell 'Halal' meat from one of the company's Birmingham stores are attacked by the RSPCA and Vegetarians International Voice for Animals (Viva) W/T/F??? Muhammed Yaqoob, chief executive of the National Halal Food Group, defended the traditional method of not pre-stunning the animal, claiming the animal suffered less than animals that had been stunned. Discuss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 halal is wrong, and there should be a country wide ban on the sale of it. if the muslims dont like it then they can leave. end of. disussion over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 What we shoot isn't prestunned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Halal killing is an old and barbaric method of killing an animal. More efficient and humane methods now exist. For once i am in agreement with the anti`s, death is not quick and the animal will feel the pain as it bleeds out. Absolutely no reason to make an animal suffer like this in the name of religion or tradition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Have you seen halal meat? It looks like dog poo And Asda Small Heath really doesn't have any white people living near it. Another way the muzzys "intergrate" into society by moving in, creating a unhygenic mess of the streets, lowering house prices so only muslims move in to the area. Then the only people who will get voting in at the local elections are muslim, thus driving out more whites. Once they get into parliament we are doomed. Paranoid? Me? Realist, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Another way the muzzys "intergrate" into society by moving in, creating a unhygenic mess of the streets, lowering house prices so only muslims move in to the area.Then the only people who will get voting in at the local elections are muslim, thus driving out more whites. Once they get into parliament we are doomed. Paranoid? Me? Realist, that's all. Just take out the words "muzzys", "muslims" and "muslim" and insert "west indians" and you are back in the 1960's. Nothing ever changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWHunter Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Britain is helping it's own demise every day, no wonder white flight is happening all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Britain is helping it's own demise every day, no wonder white flight is happening all the time "White flight" as you call it has been happening for the last 50 years, except it use to be called the "brain drain". Meaning that younger, well educated or trained people were leaving the UK to get better paid jobs overseas. The dynamic of the people involved in "white flight" now is exactly the same, as are the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Going off at a bit of a tangent here, I have always wondered what would happen if a christian built a church in a muslim country. Anyone have any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Sorry to disapoint you, but I would say the answer to your question would be absolutely nothing. I worked and lived in Libya for over 2 years, and you get much more muslim than that. They respected our beliefs and disbeliefs, which was handy because it meant we had all the 'christian' holidays and the muslim ones off work. I was welcomed into a mosque to see what it was like and we attended all the weddings of any of the people where we worked. I have travelled the world resonably entensively and I would say the hosptitality I was extended was amongst the warmest there is. All I can say, is reading some of the posts on the is forum and others realy does bring home the message that travel broadens the mind It's fairly obvious who hasn't got out much and seen it for themselves - whist believing any garbage that is served up in the daily rags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 Going off at a bit of a tangent here, I have always wondered what would happen if a christian built a church in a muslim country. Anyone have any ideas? In their usual flexible way moslem countries such have Saudi have made it an offence punishable by death to attempt to convert a moslem to cristianity. A church is a device to do this so i would asume the punishment would be similar, if the locals hadnt burnt it down and beheaded all those inside already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 All I can say, is reading some of the posts on the is forum and others realy does bring home the message that travel broadens the mind It's fairly obvious who hasn't got out much and seen it for themselves - whist believing any garbage that is served up in the daily rags. This statement is WILDLY inaccurate and meaningless. I am one of the most vigorously opposed to immigration of any kind. I believe we're headed for civil war, probably in my lifetime. I'm all for mass deportation and a total ban on immigration. I was a travel agent for 27 years and milked the job for everything I could get out of it. I don't know anybody who has travelled as much as I have, I devoted about 15 years of my life do doing little else. Every penny I had went on travel and I built up colossal debts doing it. What I saw overseas had or has absolutely no bearing on what I feel when I see my own country swamped with a tide of immigrants the like of which we've never seen before. Half of them hate the sight of us and despise our way of life, the others want a free ride. There's a lot more to having a broad mind than accepting the demise of your home country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I hope Asda extendthe policy to the Canterbury branch as it's difficult to find goat at any of my local butchers. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest raymond1 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 All I can say, is reading some of the posts on the is forum and others realy does bring home the message that travel broadens the mind It's fairly obvious who hasn't got out much and seen it for themselves - whist believing any garbage that is served up in the daily rags. This statement is WILDLY inaccurate and meaningless. I am one of the most vigorously opposed to immigration of any kind. I believe we're headed for civil war, probably in my lifetime. I'm all for mass deportation and a total ban on immigration. I was a travel agent for 27 years and milked the job for everything I could get out of it. I don't know anybody who has travelled as much as I have, I devoted about 15 years of my life do doing little else. Every penny I had went on travel and I built up colossal debts doing it. What I saw overseas had or has absolutely no bearing on what I feel when I see my own country swamped with a tide of immigrants the like of which we've never seen before. Half of them hate the sight of us and despise our way of life, the others want a free ride. There's a lot more to having a broad mind than accepting the demise of your home country. i agree with what you say ,someone had posted "in the 60s it was the west indians" well sorry that i dont agree with , west indians never brought mosques, they came speaking english, and were by and large no threat to what we know as england , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 All I can say, is reading some of the posts on the is forum and others realy does bring home the message that travel broadens the mind It's fairly obvious who hasn't got out much and seen it for themselves - whist believing any garbage that is served up in the daily rags. This statement is WILDLY inaccurate and meaningless. I am one of the most vigorously opposed to immigration of any kind. I believe we're headed for civil war, probably in my lifetime. I'm all for mass deportation and a total ban on immigration. I was a travel agent for 27 years and milked the job for everything I could get out of it. I don't know anybody who has travelled as much as I have, I devoted about 15 years of my life do doing little else. Every penny I had went on travel and I built up colossal debts doing it. What I saw overseas had or has absolutely no bearing on what I feel when I see my own country swamped with a tide of immigrants the like of which we've never seen before. Half of them hate the sight of us and despise our way of life, the others want a free ride. There's a lot more to having a broad mind than accepting the demise of your home country. i agree with what you say ,someone had posted "in the 60s it was the west indians" well sorry that i dont agree with , west indians never brought mosques, they came speaking english, and were by and large no threat to what we know as england , It's also not a good comparison, to compare the West Indian immigration to the current swamping. I believe I'm right in saying there were just a few tens of thousands of migrants from the Caribbean, as opposed to the millions involved in this invasion. And furthermore When I was doing all this travelling, I was ACUTELY aware that when in Rome....etc. I observed how intolerant most of them are in their home countries. I was made to feel very welcome (usually) provided I towed (toed?) their line. No room for self-expression or imposing my views on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest raymond1 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ our countrys practice of HUMANELY killing food annimals cannot be compared to what is done in another country ,once again it is a so called (guest)minority dictating to the majority of people, cases like this can only give the protectionists ammunition and i can see why , as for the odd beast who does not succumb to the captive bolt there is no argument ,if such misshaps were too frequent then something would be said ,......so dont go making comparisons with irrelvent comments giving more fuel to these ******** Edited November 6, 2007 by henry d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ just watched the video them sick ******** need putting down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ our countrys practice of HUMANELY killing food annimals cannot be compared to what is done in another country ,once again it is a so called (guest)minority dictating to the majority of people, cases like this can only give the protectionists ammunition and i can see why , as for the odd beast who does not succumb to the captive bolt there is no argument ,if such misshaps were too frequent then something would be said ,......so dont go making comparisons with irrelvent comments giving more fuel to these ****** How can you say that I've made irrelevant comments PM sent as i will not post my next comment on an open forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ just watched the video them sick ******** need putting down For anyone else who looks at the link i would advise you dont look at the video, (didn't realise there was a vid on there sorry) Ive just looked myself but switched it off pretty quick as its truly sickening :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I have just tried to watch the video, What cruel,inhumane, behaviour, I could not watch more than the first minute I dont know what to say, other than I am disgusted,the people doing it are sub human,terrible cruelty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest raymond1 Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 i am neither for or against this. I have seen numerous captive bolt (so called humane kills) and brain wire that haven't worked and the cow is just left flapping about on the floor untill the whole process can be repeated again. I'm not sure as to the pain factor or if the animal is aware but it does leave a mark on you once you have seen it happen. As a hunter I've seen animals die in all sort of manners as have we all, so most will know even if every kill is done perfect some animals just wont give up easily. Life is all about survival and let be honest who want to die ?. From what I've seen of halal slaughtered the animals are dispatched quickly although messily. I honestly think that time would be better spent looking towards china etc and the fur trade where millions of animals are kept in attrocius conditions and then skinned alive. http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms/ just watched the video them sick ******** need putting down For anyone else who looks at the link i would advise you dont look at the video, (didn't realise there was a vid on there sorry) Ive just looked myself but switched it off pretty quick as its truly sickening :yp: having just had a private conversation with autoculto ,i now see the point he was making ,and agree with what he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 If we has English or British which ever way you want to look at it made a point of NOT shopping at ASDA as a form of protest against halal then what do you think would happen . The reality is that the majority has sheep will still shop there and moan and groan about it . Only country in the World where we have to pay for a TV Channel that's full of rubbish :yp: or face a huge fine ..........Yep like it or not we are a tolerant race .Can you imagine the French . Only in Britain ......or England PS..............I shop at Sainsbury's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I live about 3 miles from the Small Heath Asda, but I would rather drive 16 miles to Coventry Arena to use the big Tesco. Not that Asda is bad, its just that the Small Heath one is disgusting, wipe your feet when you leave kinda thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 I have seen a cow killed with a huge knife in a halal slaughter house in the uk (on tv). In one movement the cow was a gonner and it's head almost came off. The throat was cut and it lost so much blood so fast that within seconds I don't think it would have been concious. I think ASDA should have a pat on the back for this. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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