Rewulf Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 21 minutes ago, clangerman said: life long non voter because box ticking cant change a light bulb let alone country There's only 2 things that change a country, democracy and revolution. That box tick is more important than you realise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: There's only 2 things that change a country, democracy and revolution. That box tick is more important than you realise. This. ^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: I can’t speak for Robin but I think the crux of his message is that Farage is no different to the rest of them. This is also in line with what Hitchens has been saying for a while now, well documented, even for the hard of listening. Not sure how you got to 'Farage is no different to the rest of them' from the post you quoted - though of course to a certain extent that's true. He's a politician. As for Hitchens, he's always so damn wise after the event, but keeps a lot more schtum beforehand. 3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Most of what Robin states is not rubbish, to rubbish it vehemently because it doesn’t fit your narrative could be interpreted as perhaps being a little narrow minded. It's objectively incorrect, repeatedly. He seems to think Farage negotiated the Brexit deal, rather than campaigned for a yes vote. Whether that's deliberate conflation to make a point, or because he's genuinely thick, I don't know. If he'd said 'so thanks Theresa & Boris, for signing us up to this tripe', he'd have been closer to the mark. The most egregious of his untruths, that 'Russia isn't really Europe' is either pure ignorance or yet more 'othering' of Russians. Approx 25% of its vast landmass is in Europe, along with 80% of its population, some 110 million people. But somehow, that's not really Europe. Just be honest, their leaders don't toe the Brussels line, thus are traitors to the cause... 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: If he did actually travel, instead of being sat in his armchair as a full time keyboard warrior, he would know there is no issue moving freely around Europe. So much this. 45 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Didn’t Liz Truss win that by a narrow margin… So not Boris/Rishi's 18mths of peeing money up the wall in the name of covid, but rather a temporary wobble on the guilt markets followed by some myopic strategic moves makes her the worst ever? She was no star but compared to her predecessor, successor, May, and both New Labour incumbents...she doesn't even make the top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted June 10 Report Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Who's your suggestion for PM? You said him being in opposition would be okay, I say he's at least up there with the best if not better than the current crop. What sets him apart is he doesn't want to be PM and is driven by passion and belief in what he wants to achieve for the country and he's not afraid to say the controversial. Most of our political class simply want to climb the greasy pole, further their own careers and don't want to rock the boat. As far as a suggestion goes, right now I honestly don’t know who I’d like to be PM. I actually think what sets him apart is that, unlike BoJo whose political highlight should have been London Mayor, he knows PM isn’t for him. 36 minutes ago, Rewulf said: There's only 2 things that change a country, democracy and revolution. That box tick is more important than you realise. Bang on 100%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 7 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: As far as a suggestion goes, right now I honestly don’t know who I’d like to be PM. I actually think what sets him apart is that, unlike BoJo whose political highlight should have been London Mayor, he knows PM isn’t for him. Bang on 100%! Possibly true, but the fact is, we won't know unless we give him a chance, we know for a fact he's very driven and ambitious and we also know both Labour and the Conservatives are not fit to run the country, unless your a multi millionaire, as a country we have undoubtedly gone backwards the last 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 Farage is correct on one point, Starmer will be the next PM, I also think he makes very good points across many facets of life in the UK currently. We need greater control of immigration, NHS needs restructuring ( without the use of outside consultancy ), the Police need greater resources ( without the need for Graduates ), and many other areas… My politics don’t fit the normal left/right argument, when it comes to wealth equality I’m very socialist but on immigration & crime I’m very right wing. I’m a Labour voter and proud Union member but the reform candidate will be getting my vote in the coming election as my local Labour branch has failed this town. It won’t change the overall outcome but the stronger the opposition the better off everyone will be. Hopeful that Starmer is strong enough to fight off the left wing of the party for the 10 years he will need to sort out the current mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Zoli 12 guage said: fixed it for you 👍 Thanks for that, absolutely spot on 👌 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Red696 said: My politics don’t fit the normal left/right argument, when it comes to wealth equality I’m very socialist but on immigration & crime I’m very right wing. A very succinct point! And one I think alot of people are beginning to realise. Politics over at least the last 30 years has not served the average person at all. All this left right debate is often just a distraction from the issues that face normal working (and retired) people. The globalists call it populism, which is ironic, who would have thought people want to see a dramatic political shift that would favour the masses and not the illegals and super rich. Edited June 11 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Red696 said: Hopeful that Starmer is strong enough to fight off the left wing of the party for the 10 years he will need to sort out the current mess. The idiot will not be able to make his mind up. More flipping than a pancake on Shrove Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 20 minutes ago, Penelope said: The idiot will not be able to make his mind up. More flipping than a pancake on Shrove Tuesday. Better to change a decision than to argue a wrong decision was right, here’s a list of those that did argue: blair may cameron johnson truss sunak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 19 minutes ago, Red696 said: Better to change a decision than to argue a wrong decision was right, here’s a list of those that did argue: blair may cameron johnson truss sunak Thing is labour got given another chance with new Labour and it went spectacularly wrong. Labour are the reason for many of the issues we face today. Unaffordable houses Illegal migration Wrecked economy Low skill low pay economy Overpopulation We need a new party! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Thing is labour got given another chance with new Labour and it went spectacularly wrong. Labour are the reason for many of the issues we face today. Unaffordable houses Illegal migration Wrecked economy Low skill low pay economy Overpopulation We need a new party! and the tories have had 14 years to correct what you see as New Labours fault ( and what did they inherit by the way ), yet look how bad things are now… higher house prices greater illegal immigration Deliberately wrecked economy still a low skill low pay work practice botched brexit misplaced asylum seekers higher waiting lists in the NHS ( irrespective of a pandemic, and please don’t bkame the doctors strikes because most people would strike given that kind of wage decrease ) even fewer dentists no new onshore wind generation less armed forces than we have ever had even more sh!te in the rivers whislt paying out record dividends highest taxes in 70 years for most of us, yet the rich still get away with ‘avoidance’ what we need is a new way of doing politics, it should not be a career choice like it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Red696 said: Better to change a decision than to argue a wrong decision was right, here’s a list of those that did argue: blair may cameron johnson truss sunak It's not changing decisions but what he actually believes in. Edited June 11 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, Penelope said: It not decision but what he actually believes. Thanks for that ‘balanced’ and ‘unbiased’ video.. if I could be bothered I could find a similar video for each of the party leaders, so what is the point you are trying to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, Red696 said: Thanks for that ‘balanced’ and ‘unbiased’ video.. if I could be bothered I could find a similar video for each of the party leaders, so what is the point you are trying to make? Perhaps Starmer deserves his own thread. But I think the point of the video, is that even by politicians' low standards, Starmer weather-cocks and shifts position according to the wind, to completely unacceptable levels. He has no principals that we know of, other than the fact he opposes the death penalty in foreign jurisdictions, and actively worked to commute sentences for murderers, rapists, etc. Also, he really should do a better job of explaining what a toolmaker actually does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 31 minutes ago, Red696 said: and the tories have had 14 years to correct what you see as New Labours fault ( and what did they inherit by the way ), yet look how bad things are now… higher house prices greater illegal immigration Deliberately wrecked economy still a low skill low pay work practice botched brexit misplaced asylum seekers higher waiting lists in the NHS ( irrespective of a pandemic, and please don’t bkame the doctors strikes because most people would strike given that kind of wage decrease ) even fewer dentists no new onshore wind generation less armed forces than we have ever had even more sh!te in the rivers whislt paying out record dividends highest taxes in 70 years for most of us, yet the rich still get away with ‘avoidance’ what we need is a new way of doing politics, it should not be a career choice like it is now. Absolutely agreed, like I said earlier, neither Labour or Conservatives can be trusted in government. If we want change we need a new party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 59 minutes ago, Red696 said: Thanks for that ‘balanced’ and ‘unbiased’ video.. if I could be bothered I could find a similar video for each of the party leaders, so what is the point you are trying to make? Answered for me above. Thanks, Udderly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: But I think the point of the video, is that even by politicians' low standards, Starmer weather-cocks and shifts position according to the wind, to completely unacceptable levels. The problem with labour (the hard left not withstanding) is that they have spent 14 years trying to get back into power, hurling abuse at the tory 'scum' who tried to fix the economic and migratory mess labour left behind. Now that power is within their champagne socialist grasp, they are all a bit flustered about what to do with it. I can say , hand on heart, I havent heard a single sensible policy for when they get in government. They will win on the basis that they are not tories, which while understandable , is a bit of a sad way to start 'rebuilding' the country. 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: He has no principals that we know of, other than the fact he opposes the death penalty in foreign jurisdictions, and actively worked to commute sentences for murderers, rapists, etc. At a time when serious crime needs tougher sentences as a deterrent , this is the polar opposite of what is needed. Crime is getting seriously out of control in the larger cities, the judicial and prison system needs a revamp, and wokey style rehabilitation needs to take a back seat, serious crime needs punishment, not the soft hand. 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: Also, he really should do a better job of explaining what a toolmaker actually does. They create men like Starmer apparently 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 20 minutes ago, Rewulf said: They create men like Starmer apparently 😆 Well, what do expect a tool maker to make other than a TOOL 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 Just now, Penelope said: Well, what do expect a tool maker to make other than a TOOL 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 11 Author Report Share Posted June 11 I see that Farage has been attacked again, in Yorkshire. Someone has been arrested for throwing rubble at him, whilst he was on an open topped bus. And the MSM grizzle about the 'far right' being the violent ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 7 minutes ago, Penelope said: I see that Farage has been attacked again, in Yorkshire. Someone has been arrested for throwing rubble at him, whilst he was on an open topped bus. And the MSM grizzle about the 'far right' being the violent ones. it was in the "labour "heartland" of Barnsley where Reform are climbing the ladder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 12 minutes ago, Penelope said: I see that Farage has been attacked again, in Yorkshire. Someone has been arrested for throwing rubble at him, whilst he was on an open topped bus. And the MSM grizzle about the 'far right' being the violent ones. Its also msm who have propagated lies against him, giving a platform to those who accuse him of racism which leads to these sorts of violent actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 8 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Its also msm who have propagated lies against him There a story doing the rounds that he paid the only fans woman to throw the milkshake at him, for publicity ! Are they that terrified of an alternative party getting enough votes to muster a few MPs ? What next, a court case where he didnt keep his business accounts correctly, corruptly upgraded to enough charges to put him in prison ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 11 Report Share Posted June 11 Just a thought, "If" Farage wins and finds himself as PM, does this Country have the balls to round up the illegals and ship them back to France? Putin yes, Tusk if he had to - but any British PM since Maggie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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