Joe is out of the race

[Rewulf]

11 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Technically he inherited his fathers fortune and had he been ‘wise’ or shrewd and invested in mainstream property /shares etc, then he would be worth 12 billion, and not the reported 2.8 - 3.2 billion. 

Still not bad for a satsuma 

 

18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

To be fair, the new tempest once completed looks like a serious bit of kit, which is being developed by the UK, Japan and Italy. Which just like the euro fighter before it, goes to show what can be achieved by other countries if the appetite is there. 

The Tempest is 10 years away from service, with technologies that dont exist yet, its likely that like the Typhoon, will be somewhat dated by the time we get it.
We could have had the F22 years before, a better aircraft (still) and cheaper, by the time we had invested billions in development.

[oowee]

43 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Tell me again who makes F35s , Patriots , and SM series interceptor missiles again ?
Did many countries in Europe not just spend 100s of billions on these systems ?
Shall we scrap them all and start again, using an R and D program that doesnt really exist ?
Good sound thinking there 

Why would we do that? See out what we have and replace with new euro kit. 

26 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Technically he inherited his fathers fortune and had he been ‘wise’ or shrewd and invested in mainstream property /shares etc, then he would be worth 12 billion, and not the reported 2.8 - 3.2 billion. 
 

😉

https://internationalbusinessguide.org/trump-business-career/

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, oowee said:

Why would we do that? See out what we have and replace with new euro kit. 

Weve only just bought the F35s , theres 10+ years left of them yet, and the Donald will be long gone by then.
 

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Weve only just bought the F35s , theres 10+ years left of them yet, and the Donald will be long gone by then.
 

He may be and maybe Vance is in another satsuma clone happy to throw his lot in with Hitler. The current uncertainty of relying on a flaky ally has posed the question for Europe. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Still not bad for a satsuma 

 

The Tempest is 10 years away from service, with technologies that dont exist yet, its likely that like the Typhoon, will be somewhat dated by the time we get it.
We could have had the F22 years before, a better aircraft (still) and cheaper, by the time we had invested billions in development.

The F22 has a serious issue with range and in close encounters the typhoon has proven it can kill it. Hardly outdated kit, I'm sure when it was first fielded it could kill anything Russia or China had. 

[Rewulf]

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

He may be and maybe Vance is in another satsuma clone happy to throw his lot in with Hitler.

Listen to yourself 😆

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

The current uncertainty of relying on a flaky ally has posed the question for Europe. 

Theyve been kind enough to protect our borders for the past 80 years, and helped Ukraine (and beyond) keep Putins meat waves at bay 
While all the time replacing the kit theyve GIVEN away to Ukraine with shiny new stuff, at a cost obviously....
Its all about protecting the world against the commie menace, or something 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The F22 has a serious issue with range and in close encounters the typhoon has proven it can kill it. Hardly outdated kit, I'm sure when it was first fielded it could kill anything Russia or China had. 

Tightchoke will be on shortly to put us both right but mull this over.

In 1985 the estimated cost of 250 UK aircraft was £7 billion. By 1997 the estimated cost was £17 billion; by 2003, £20 billion, and the in-service date (2003, defined as the date of delivery of the first aircraft to the RAF) was 54 months late.^[45] After 2003, the MoD refused to release updated cost-estimates on the grounds of commercial sensitivity.^[46] However, in 2011, the National Audit Office estimated the UK's "assessment, development, production and upgrade costs eventually hit £22.9 billion" and total programme costs would reach £37 billion.^[47]

 

^{The American pilot is being nice.}

The Typhoon's combat performance, compared to the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters and the French Dassault Rafale, has been the subject of much discussion.^[154] In March 2005, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, said:

The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula One car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance. ... The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive. That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive. The F/A-22 performs in much the same way as the Eurofighter. But it has additional capabilities that allow it to perform the [U.S.] Air Force's unique missions.^[155]

^{The Eurofighter was designed to win dogfights, modern missiles with 100 mile ranges negate dogfights.}

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Good evening Gentlemen...............................

[oowee]

59 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Listen to yourself 😆

Theyve been kind enough to protect our borders for the past 80 years, and helped Ukraine (and beyond) keep Putins meat waves at bay 
While all the time replacing the kit theyve GIVEN away to Ukraine with shiny new stuff, at a cost obviously....
Its all about protecting the world against the commie menace, or something 

I am just quoting Vance who likened Trump to a US version of Hitler. Maga will sign up for anything for a vote. Now who is pulling the strings of the orange man?

What commie menace? Putin is a gangster. No more a commie than Trump is a Republican. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

Edited July 22 by oowee

[ditchman]

the more i see and hear of Vance the less i like him.............think Trump has made a big mistake with him

[JKD]

57 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Good evening Gentlemen...............................

Where have you been ? GB's presence has been required in the odd thread 🥳🤓

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I have been at the Royal International Air Tattoo in Fairford, Gloucestershire. Very little internet access. LOVELY.

[JKD]

5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I have been at the Royal International Air Tattoo in Fairford, Gloucestershire. Very little internet access. LOVELY.

Looking forward to the thread about that,,,, with lots of pictures 📸 😁

[Jaymo]

53 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I have been at the Royal International Air Tattoo in Fairford, Gloucestershire. Very little internet access. LOVELY.

Lucky lucky 

[JKD]

Lots of love and support for the VP going forwards it seems. Got to go through the motions I suppose 🙃

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

What commie menace? Putin is a gangster.

I was being facetious,  of course Putins a gangster , same as Zelensky, Biden, Trump.

 

2 hours ago, oowee said:

just quoting Vance who likened Trump to a US version of Hitler. Maga will sign up for anything for a vote. Now who is pulling the strings of the orange man?

Well he doesn't think he's Hitler now🤣

So who pulls Trumps strings, I'm fascinated? 

[12gauge82]

41 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I was being facetious,  of course Putins a gangster , same as Zelensky, Biden, Trump.

 

Well he doesn't think he's Hitler now🤣

So who pulls Trumps strings, I'm fascinated? 

I don't think we can put Biden, Trump or Zelensky in the same bracket as Putin, none of them have invaded a democratic (to be fair, I do use that word lightly with Ukraine) state like Putin has. 

Edited July 22 by 12gauge82

[oowee]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

the more i see and hear of Vance the less i like him.............think Trump has made a big mistake with him

Not sure it was a Trump choice. He would have to say yes of course but no doubt lots of pressure. 

[Rewulf]

19 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't think we can put Biden, Trump or Zelensky in the same bracket as Putin, none of them have invaded a democratic (to be fair, I do use that word lightly with Ukraine) state like Putin has. 

The term used was gangster, Biden has behaved like a mafia don in his dealings with Ukraine.

Zelensky has ruled Ukraine with an iron fist since Russia invaded, he's had people executed , suppressed the media, allowed massive corruption,  forced subscription,  and sent thousands to needless death for PR purposes.

Gangster is perfectly justified.

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

The term used was gangster, Biden has behaved like a mafia don in his dealings with Ukraine.

Zelensky has ruled Ukraine with an iron fist since Russia invaded, he's had people executed , suppressed the media, allowed massive corruption,  forced subscription,  and sent thousands to needless death for PR purposes.

Gangster is perfectly justified.

No a mafia Don would take the gloves off. With you till you win. 

Zelensky is working hard on the corruption issue, making some very significant improvements. Public tendering and sacking many involved in corruption. Not read about any executions but in war a strong leader has to make tough decisions. 

Just reading about the Trump contributions to Kamala. That was generous of the family. Nice to see that she gave the money to charity that advocates for civil rights.  That must have hurt. 

33 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't think we can put Biden, Trump or Zelensky in the same bracket as Putin, none of them have invaded a democratic (to be fair, I do use that word lightly with Ukraine) state like Putin has. 

This ^^^^ it was a fair election. There is no opportunity for another. 

[12gauge82]

22 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The term used was gangster, Biden has behaved like a mafia don in his dealings with Ukraine.

Zelensky has ruled Ukraine with an iron fist since Russia invaded, he's had people executed , suppressed the media, allowed massive corruption,  forced subscription,  and sent thousands to needless death for PR purposes.

Gangster is perfectly justified.

I just don't see a comparison. Invading a peaceful country that clearly has no intention of going to war with you simply because you are big and they are small is as bad as it gets. 

[Stonepark]

11 minutes ago, oowee said:

Zelensky is working hard on the corruption issue, making some very significant improvements. Public tendering and sacking many involved in corruption. Not read about any executions but in war a strong leader has to make tough decisions. 

Just reading about the Trump contributions to Kamala. That was generous of the family. Nice to see that she gave the money to charity that advocates for civil rights.  That must have hurt. 

Zelensky is the one at the centre of the corruption, how do you thin 10% for the big guy worked without Zelensky getting his vig, though it has had to be toned down or risk a revolt of the remaining population.......

Trump spending £5000 on a funrsiser ticket for harris in 2015 is like you or me chucking a pound in the RNLI tin and being dissappointed 10 years later that they on the southern coast are techically the biggest people traffickers of illegal immigrants.... you don't really give it a second thought

 

Vance is a good choice for Trump, he needs a bulldog to go after the internal domestic issues, whilst he concentrates on big picture and foreign issues.

Unlike Harris who has sat in a closet whilst "mighty" Joe (via his wife) ran the USA until wheeled out, Vance will get stuck in on day 1 as he wants to be in a position to be President next time around.

 

[ditchman]

every time i hear Vance speak......he sounds like a stand -up comedian....not a good look/sound

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 hours ago, ditchman said:

every time i hear Vance speak......he sounds like a stand -up comedian....not a good look/sound

He'll be great with Donald then, every good stand up needs a straight man........................................

[oowee]

7 hours ago, Stonepark said:

Zelensky is the one at the centre of the corruption, how do you thin 10% for the big guy worked without Zelensky getting his vig, though it has had to be toned down or risk a revolt of the remaining population.......

Trump spending £5000 on a funrsiser ticket for harris in 2015 is like you or me chucking a pound in the RNLI tin and being dissappointed 10 years later that they on the southern coast are techically the biggest people traffickers of illegal immigrants.... you don't really give it a second thought

 

Vance is a good choice for Trump, he needs a bulldog to go after the internal domestic issues, whilst he concentrates on big picture and foreign issues.

Unlike Harris who has sat in a closet whilst "mighty" Joe (via his wife) ran the USA until wheeled out, Vance will get stuck in on day 1 as he wants to be in a position to be President next time around.

 

Where is your evidence for Zelensky?

Trump and the Trump family. It would depend on the Trump family principles. If they have principles then they would not try and buy influence in the opposition. Good on Kamala refusing the money and donating it to charity. That's the difference when principles are applied. 

Are you sure Vance was a choice? I am sure he will get stuck in his sponsors (project 2025)  will require it. It's unlikely to be a force for good. Lets hope we don't have to see it in action.