Joe is out of the race

[Rewulf]

11 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Technically he inherited his fathers fortune and had he been ‘wise’ or shrewd and invested in mainstream property /shares etc, then he would be worth 12 billion, and not the reported 2.8 - 3.2 billion. 

Still not bad for a satsuma 

 

18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

To be fair, the new tempest once completed looks like a serious bit of kit, which is being developed by the UK, Japan and Italy. Which just like the euro fighter before it, goes to show what can be achieved by other countries if the appetite is there. 

The Tempest is 10 years away from service, with technologies that dont exist yet, its likely that like the Typhoon, will be somewhat dated by the time we get it.
We could have had the F22 years before, a better aircraft (still) and cheaper, by the time we had invested billions in development.

[oowee]

43 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Tell me again who makes F35s , Patriots , and SM series interceptor missiles again ?
Did many countries in Europe not just spend 100s of billions on these systems ?
Shall we scrap them all and start again, using an R and D program that doesnt really exist ?
Good sound thinking there 

Why would we do that? See out what we have and replace with new euro kit. 

26 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Technically he inherited his fathers fortune and had he been ‘wise’ or shrewd and invested in mainstream property /shares etc, then he would be worth 12 billion, and not the reported 2.8 - 3.2 billion. 
 

😉

https://internationalbusinessguide.org/trump-business-career/

[Rewulf]

21 minutes ago, oowee said:

Why would we do that? See out what we have and replace with new euro kit. 

Weve only just bought the F35s , theres 10+ years left of them yet, and the Donald will be long gone by then.
 

[oowee]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Weve only just bought the F35s , theres 10+ years left of them yet, and the Donald will be long gone by then.
 

He may be and maybe Vance is in another satsuma clone happy to throw his lot in with Hitler. The current uncertainty of relying on a flaky ally has posed the question for Europe. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Still not bad for a satsuma 

 

The Tempest is 10 years away from service, with technologies that dont exist yet, its likely that like the Typhoon, will be somewhat dated by the time we get it.
We could have had the F22 years before, a better aircraft (still) and cheaper, by the time we had invested billions in development.

The F22 has a serious issue with range and in close encounters the typhoon has proven it can kill it. Hardly outdated kit, I'm sure when it was first fielded it could kill anything Russia or China had. 

[Rewulf]

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

He may be and maybe Vance is in another satsuma clone happy to throw his lot in with Hitler.

Listen to yourself 😆

27 minutes ago, oowee said:

The current uncertainty of relying on a flaky ally has posed the question for Europe. 

Theyve been kind enough to protect our borders for the past 80 years, and helped Ukraine (and beyond) keep Putins meat waves at bay 
While all the time replacing the kit theyve GIVEN away to Ukraine with shiny new stuff, at a cost obviously....
Its all about protecting the world against the commie menace, or something 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

The F22 has a serious issue with range and in close encounters the typhoon has proven it can kill it. Hardly outdated kit, I'm sure when it was first fielded it could kill anything Russia or China had. 

Tightchoke will be on shortly to put us both right but mull this over.

In 1985 the estimated cost of 250 UK aircraft was £7 billion. By 1997 the estimated cost was £17 billion; by 2003, £20 billion, and the in-service date (2003, defined as the date of delivery of the first aircraft to the RAF) was 54 months late.^[45] After 2003, the MoD refused to release updated cost-estimates on the grounds of commercial sensitivity.^[46] However, in 2011, the National Audit Office estimated the UK's "assessment, development, production and upgrade costs eventually hit £22.9 billion" and total programme costs would reach £37 billion.^[47]

 

^{The American pilot is being nice.}

The Typhoon's combat performance, compared to the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II fighters and the French Dassault Rafale, has been the subject of much discussion.^[154] In March 2005, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, said:

The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula One car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance. ... The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high G forces), very impressive. That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive. The F/A-22 performs in much the same way as the Eurofighter. But it has additional capabilities that allow it to perform the [U.S.] Air Force's unique missions.^[155]

^{The Eurofighter was designed to win dogfights, modern missiles with 100 mile ranges negate dogfights.}