Tighten barrels

[pidgeon poacher]

just bought a "lang & son" s x s with 1/8 & 1/4 fixed chokes , anyone have any nollage regaurding opening up barrels too mybe 1/2 & 1/2

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, 1/8 th and 1/4 choke is less the 1/2 1/2 , if you look at choke guage 1/8 is i think improved cylinder so your lang is improved/ 1/4 

[Gordon R]

Not sure if the OP is referring to putting more choke into the barrels. Can be done, but expensive.

Personally I would have thought the existing chokes were fine.

[Fil]

27 minutes ago, pidgeon poacher said:

just bought a "lang & son" s x s with 1/8 & 1/4 fixed chokes , anyone have any nollage regaurding opening up barrels too mybe 1/2 & 1/2

Hi

Reading your post it appears you want 1/2 & 1/2 instead of 1/8 & 1/4. If that's what you mean then you can't put metal back unless you have them Teagued. 

As Gordon R said, 1/8 & 1/4 is perfectly usable. It's what's in my 1910 Coggie and it's lethal on partridge and pheasant with Eley Impax or Grand Prix when I'm pointing it in the right place. 

[Fil]

20 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, 1/8 th and 1/4 choke is less the 1/2 1/2 , if you look at choke guage 1/8 is i think improved cylinder so your lang is improved/ 1/4 

Spot on oldypigeonpopper. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

So many contradictions in the original post.   

[wymberley]

You pays your money and takes your choice. As above, Teague could do it for somewhere about £500 by now - cost me £350 a few years back. Or you could get them recess choked (if there's enough metal) which will add a few thou' but not a lot. If it's for pigeon I'd have a look at the cartridge pellet count as a means of filling the pattern if deemed necessary. 

[Dave at kelton]

Get a selection of 1oz load cartridges and take it to a pattern plate at 30 and 40 yds and see how it performs before you think about anything else.

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 hours ago, Fil said:

Spot on oldypigeonpopper. 

Hello, Cheers, 👍

[enfieldspares]

In theory you can have a recess choke (or some call it a jug choke) that by enlarging the bore of the barrel just before the existing choke will have the effect of making that existing choke tighter. It supposedly only makes an increase of one degree of choke so the existing 1/8 would pattern as 1/4 and the existing 1/4 pattern as 3/8.

But! Rather than rely on what might have been done which is measuring the chokes I'd actually pattern the gun with a selection of cartridges and see what's what. Eley's 1 1/16 oz #6 may pattern tighter, or looser, than Hull's 1 1/16 ox #6 or Lyalvale's equivalent. Also again supposedly coppered shot will give a different pattern and a lower velocity load will give a tighter pattern.

Personally I'd simply go down #1/2 in shot size. So English #6 1/2 (which happily is an Italian #7) instead of English #6 or English #5 1/2 instead of English #5. Once again after the desert of the 1980s and 1990s many English companies are loading #6 1/2 and #5 1/2 sizes in fibre wad cartridges for 2 1/2" chambered guns.

4 hours ago, Dave at kelton said:

Get a selection of 1oz load cartridges and take it to a pattern plate at 30 and 40 yds and see how it performs before you think about anything else.

This.

Edited August 9, 2024 by enfieldspares

[JKD]

7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

So many contradictions in the original post.   

Did you really mean 'bad spellage' ?! 🤦‍♂️😄

[Old Boggy]

2 hours ago, JKD said:

Did you really mean 'bad spellage' ?! 🤦‍♂️😄

😂

[Bear68]

I'd just use it and enjoy it as it is.

[Old Boggy]

6 hours ago, JKD said:

Did you really mean 'bad spellage' ?! 🤦‍♂️😄

Oh come on, it’s his first post, give him some slack, after all we don’t knock Ditchie for his great command of the English language. Not all the time anyway.

[wymberley]

Or you could, assuming it's not your only gun, get a 'smith to check it over then lightly oil it - not too much so that it doesn't run - and put it in the cabinet. And wait. Then, if and when you have to use steel -  and if appropriate 2&1/2" will be generally available by then -   get it out and allow yourself a little chuckle.

[wymberley]

4 hours ago, Old Boggy said:

Oh come on, it’s his first post, give him some slack, after all we don’t knock Ditchie for his great command of the English language. Not all the time anyway.

Yep, posts regularly once about every 5 years. 

[JKD]

5 hours ago, Old Boggy said:

Oh come on, it’s his first post, give him some slack, after all we don’t knock Ditchie for his great command of the English language. Not all the time anyway.

But we're used to Ditchy and his Norfolkistan way of spieling 🤭😁 Just don't get, in one instance, how anyone couldn't spell PIGEON 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😄