Flyboy1950 Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Received tonight from my club secretary. No indication why the cartridge is deemed unsafe? For all those using MoD ranges. The MoD have said that with IMMEDIATE effect, the use of 6.5mm Creedmoor ammunition in no longer permitted. This change impacts all clubs shooting on military ranges. The email from the MoD Deputy Safety Officer stated:"Defense Equipment & Support have produced data at the request of Infantry Trials & Development Unit (ITDU) for 6.5mm Creedmoor ammunition. The data given shows this ammunition type to be unsafe and have refused use of it for the military unit. It is this reason; we cannot allow any other range users to utilise the ammunition, when it has been deemed unsafe for use on SPTA fixed ranges for Trial Units." Although Bisley is effectively an MoD range operating under MoD rules we haven't had any notification if this ban extends to Bisley, It is recommended you check for the latest status with when booking any NRA Bisley ranges. FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 What makes 6.5CM any more dangerous than say 6.5x55? I would love to know the reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 (edited) Three little words probably. V - VERY L - LOW D - DRAG I'd guess someone has seen the ballistic performance diagrams (if that is the correct term) of 6.5 Creedmoor loaded with VLD bullets and realised it can carry outside the "standard" danger area for some military ranges. So to avoid doubt a blanket ban is the response? Yet do the Royal Marines not use it? Edited September 29 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 (edited) All VERY interesting. I thought the RM were using a lot of KS1's in 5.56mm. The RM are using a few L129A1's in 6.5mm Creedmore. Edited September 30 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 My eldest son is using the L129A1 Sharpshooter in 7.62mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shootz Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 The club I shoot with are up at mod warcop on the 13th, from I've read, it only affects Salisbury training area. They were up at Warcop last week and nothing was mentioned regarding the ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 Welcome to Pigeon Watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 16 hours ago, enfieldspares said: Three little words probably. V - VERY L - LOW D - DRAG I'd guess someone has seen the ballistic performance diagrams (if that is the correct term) of 6.5 Creedmoor loaded with VLD bullets and realised it can carry outside the "standard" danger area for some military ranges. So to avoid doubt a blanket ban is the response? Yet do the Royal Marines not use it? Makes sense, but surely a 338LM presents a more significant danger and its allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 All down to the safety trace and someone's interpretation of the information. When I used the 30mm Rarden Cannon we were never allowed to fire the Sabot Round. No where in the UK was cleared for it and no money to go overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shootz Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Welcome to Pigeon Watch. Thanks, long time reader, first time poster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 10 hours ago, Chris Shootz said: Thanks, long time reader, first time poster! Good, I'm sure you have lots of good stuff to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shootz Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 18 hours ago, Cawdor118 said: Makes sense, but surely a 338LM presents a more significant danger and its allowed? Also the prc cartridges, 6.5prc outperforms the creedmoor in both velocity and trajectory. I think this is a knee jerk reaction to an incident, someone probably had the wrong dope and happened to be shooting a 6.5cm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Just now, Chris Shootz said: Also the prc cartridges, 6.5prc outperforms the creedmoor in both velocity and trajectory. I think this is a knee jerk reaction to an incident, someone probably had the wrong dope and happened to be shooting a 6.5cm. Yes, my thoughts too. A simple stop something immediately without looking at the situation objectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 It isn't "banned on all military ranges". Current correct information from the NRA The NRA is aware that Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO) has announced a new restriction on the use of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge on fixed ranges on the Salisbury Plain Training Area (SPTA). This restriction applies to NRA Clubs licenced to use SPTA ranges. The NRA is working with our colleagues in DIO to better understand the restriction and any broader implications for civilian users of MoD ranges elsewhere in the United Kingdom. As we get more information, this will be communicated to members and Clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 Thank you for the update which makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 7 hours ago, phaedra1106 said: It isn't "banned on all military ranges". Current correct information from the NRA The NRA is aware that Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO) has announced a new restriction on the use of the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge on fixed ranges on the Salisbury Plain Training Area (SPTA). This restriction applies to NRA Clubs licenced to use SPTA ranges. The NRA is working with our colleagues in DIO to better understand the restriction and any broader implications for civilian users of MoD ranges elsewhere in the United Kingdom. As we get more information, this will be communicated to members and Clubs. All MOD ranges including Bisley are being reassessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyJive Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 On 30/09/2024 at 16:23, Cawdor118 said: Makes sense, but surely a 338LM presents a more significant danger and its allowed? Few places permit 338LM, though 300WM generally permitted on military ranges with HME on your SCC. I suspect a typical knee-jerk reaction with politics in the mix, significantly limiting opportunities to shoot this capable round over range. Very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bergara-boy Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 It's apparently due to calibres chamber pressure producing above the accepted CIP specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, Bergara-boy said: It's apparently due to calibres chamber pressure producing above the accepted CIP specs. Oh, chamber pressure than exiting the safety trace. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 (edited) On 30/09/2024 at 01:00, enfieldspares said: Three little words probably. V - VERY L - LOW D - DRAG I'd guess someone has seen the ballistic performance diagrams (if that is the correct term) of 6.5 Creedmoor loaded with VLD bullets and realised it can carry outside the "standard" danger area for some military ranges. So to avoid doubt a blanket ban is the response? Yet do the Royal Marines not use it? It's something along those lines. It can remain supersonic beyond 1200 yds which is a pretty good indication it would carry a lot further. It's been banned at Millpool for a while I believe. Edited October 5 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 On 30/09/2024 at 17:23, Cawdor118 said: Makes sense, but surely a 338LM presents a more significant danger and its allowed? 338 has been banned at Bisley these past ten years or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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