Two Tier Kier setting out the pain that is coming.......................

[johnphilip]

38 minutes ago, oowee said:

Just be patient these things take time. Chill. 

If we listen to you, we will all  chill 😁

[Yellow Bear]

Just now, johnphilip said:

If we listen to you, we will all  chill 😁

WE already are thanks to his heroes

[JohnfromUK]

Various people and institutions are now being 'open' about their views;

The Office of Budget Responsiibility;

"The OBR projected that the fiscal package would boost inflation and unemployment."

The Governor of the Bank of England;

"The Bank of England governor today joined Britain's biggest retailers warning that job cuts are 'inevitable' after Rachel Reeves' monster national insurance raid.  Andrew Bailey said dozens of businesses - including Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's - had been 'right' to sound the alarm in an open letter to the Chancellor."

The bosses of Aldi, Amazon UK, Boots, Lidl, JD Sports, Primark, Morrisons and Greggs were also among those signing a letter today, in which the companies cautioned that the huge tax increase, together with packaging levies and increases to the national minimum wage could cost retailers more than £7billion a year.

The only Growth will be in unemployment and inflation.

Edited 10 hours ago by JohnfromUK

[Newbie to this]

14 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

The only Growth will be in unemployment and inflation.

And anyone's wage packet who is paid with tax payer's money.

[Yellow Bear]

20 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

anyone's wage packet who is paid with tax payer's money.

The rest of us are "rich" to be "squeezed 'til the pips squeak"

[12gauge82]

On 17/11/2024 at 16:29, oowee said:

People used to and i think some still do believe, the world to be flat. Despite the best science they saw with their own eyes that it was flat. Surely if it were round we would all fall off. We started the industrial revolution what better than to lead the world out of it. Of course its much easier cheaper and less of an affront to our lifestyles, to imagine that we know better than the scientists that study this stuff. 

Problem with human uncivilisation is it's always the fault of someone else.

I think the difference now is during all other shifts, they have happened naturally, moving to better technologies as time and improvement moved along, as well as as when people were ready for it. 

What is being done with the green movement, is forcing people to go backwards economically and in many cases technologically. That to my knowledge has never been done before. 

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Various people and institutions are now being 'open' about their views;

The Office of Budget Responsiibility;

"The OBR projected that the fiscal package would boost inflation and unemployment."

The Governor of the Bank of England;

"The Bank of England governor today joined Britain's biggest retailers warning that job cuts are 'inevitable' after Rachel Reeves' monster national insurance raid.  Andrew Bailey said dozens of businesses - including Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's - had been 'right' to sound the alarm in an open letter to the Chancellor."

The bosses of Aldi, Amazon UK, Boots, Lidl, JD Sports, Primark, Morrisons and Greggs were also among those signing a letter today, in which the companies cautioned that the huge tax increase, together with packaging levies and increases to the national minimum wage could cost retailers more than £7billion a year.

The only Growth will be in unemployment and inflation.

So why hasn't she been ousted like Liz Truss? 

[ShootingEgg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80l9lde5yjo

 

So now even the govt are admitting to putting pensioners into poverty... 

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

So why hasn't  she been ousted like Liz Truss? 

Your guess is as good as some of us on this forum

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think the difference now is during all other shifts, they have happened naturally, moving to better technologies as time and improvement moved along, as well as as when people were ready for it. 

What is being done with the green movement, is forcing people to go backwards economically and in many cases technologically. That to my knowledge has never been done before. 

So why hasn't she been ousted like Liz Truss? 

I can't answer that - other than to say that there is always that possibility in the future. 

I see the Starmer 'magician' who was going to have the answers to everything as "Chief of Staff", Sue Grey who left Downing Street under a bit of a cloud, then was going to be something for the 'regions'(?) is now not going to do that either - apparently she wanted so much money that even Starmer baulked at that (and he's hardly noted for getting value for money - just look at the cabinet!)

[oowee]

21 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I think the difference now is during all other shifts, they have happened naturally, moving to better technologies as time and improvement moved along, as well as as when people were ready for it. 

What is being done with the green movement, is forcing people to go backwards economically and in many cases technologically. That to my knowledge has never been done before. 

I think most of us on here care deeply for the environment within which we live. Unfortunately as humans we struggle to control our consumption given the chance. How many of us can say I wont take that holiday, buy that car, get a bigger house etc if the money is available. We are programmed to want more and more it's in the dna. Ultimately we have to live within one world and must limit consumption accordingly. How we do that I have no idea. None of us vote for less. 

The most obvious way, I guess is we do nothing. We wait for the famine, the war or whatever it may be to moderate our excess. 

[12gauge82]

18 minutes ago, oowee said:

I think most of us on here care deeply for the environment within which we live. Unfortunately as humans we struggle to control our consumption given the chance. How many of us can say I wont take that holiday, buy that car, get a bigger house etc if the money is available. We are programmed to want more and more it's in the dna. Ultimately we have to live within one world and must limit consumption accordingly. How we do that I have no idea. None of us vote for less. 

The most obvious way, I guess is we do nothing. We wait for the famine, the war or whatever it may be to moderate our excess. 

I see what your saying. My view is that rather than force people to take this stuff up, greater effort should be put in to finding better solutions, if beeter ways are found, people will naturally clamour to go green rather than having to be forced. 

My own set up at home for instance, my standing charge for gas and electricity is by far the biggest part of the cost for my utilities due to the technologys I have installed. I almost certainly provide more energy than I consume and in the process save myself huge amounts of money on a building who's footprint occupys approximately a quarter of a kilometre. To me that's how it should be done. My vehicle on the other hand, is a 4x4 that I'm lucky to get 20mpg out of due to there being no better solution at present, if there was I'd move to it as it'd be good for the environment and save me a lot of money on fuel, especially as I generate a huge amount of excess electricity that currently goes down the grid, I'd much rather put that into my car, but a tesla isn't going to get me through a metre of flood water, over a field, carry heavy equipment or take me on a long round trip. 

[oowee]

18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I see what your saying. My view is that rather than force people to take this stuff up, greater effort should be put in to finding better solutions, if beeter ways are found, people will naturally clamour to go green rather than having to be forced. 

My own set up at home for instance, my standing charge for gas and electricity is by far the biggest part of the cost for my utilities due to the technologys I have installed. I almost certainly provide more energy than I consume and in the process save myself huge amounts of money on a building who's footprint occupys approximately a quarter of a kilometre. To me that's how it should be done. My vehicle on the other hand, is a 4x4 that I'm lucky to get 20mpg out of due to there being no better solution at present, if there was I'd move to it as it'd be good for the environment and save me a lot of money on fuel, especially as I generate a huge amount of excess electricity that currently goes down the grid, I'd much rather put that into my car, but a tesla isn't going to get me through a metre of flood water, over a field, carry heavy equipment or take me on a long round trip. 

That would be the best way forward but how you persuade people to accept less I  don't know. It's coming with renewable energy but much of it requires a change of social attitudes.

I am in the process of selling our house as we struggle to look after it when we are on the boat. It's very efficient but the land is a huge commitment. The new place if we get it is almost passive and has solar generation. It's on the edge of town so we can hopefully leave the car rather than driving everywhere as now. 

Cars are a challenge. I want a 4x4 for shooting. I have got rid of the Hilux and swapped for a CRV. Putting that red stag in the back last week and then getting off the field was a nightmare 🤣