TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 On 15/11/2024 at 20:40, London Best said: I paid only £15 for the heated gilet I have. Power pack was £25 if I recall correctly. I wear it for sitting up high seats before it gets light in Winter. Had it two winters. The gilet is SO warm I have never yet needed to switch on the power! 8 minutes ago, London Best said: The £15 el cheapo heated gilet which I bought is just the opposite and very slippy. I think it would be ideal under a shooting coat, but must admit that I have never tried it. Was it an Ebay Chinese special? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 20 Author Report Share Posted November 20 7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: You raise some interesting points; I have found difficulty on getting anything made for a Chinaman to fit accurately as their comparative size guides are way off. The drag you mention is certainly a valid consideration as you must be comfortable when shooting, as you say for ordinary use it would probably be fine. I shall have a look around and see whether I will part with my hard earned for one of these heated gilets. Yep, I know what you mean about sizing, I even emailed the seller and asked what size I needed to order but it was still a little snug at XL. I am giving it another go, I have ordered a smooth one, I have looked at the size chart and ordered a XL this one also comes with a battery but its bigger 16000mAh as opposed to the last one (micro fleece) at 10000mAh….https://www.amazon.co.uk/BEKOMIYA-Heated-10000mAh-Temperature-Lightweight/dp/B0CG8GCKGP/ref=sr_1_5?crid=UYLG7BONLE2C&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gn8TFg-RvqxSKJ8qu0Wi6QOyY-E7KIWuabjSirKnjB4F9sW_8-y2-AT5FeEvw_HD2md98_nnacCdo6Jh1KUjRE9iek2qMqAiigqoGKzymPHy3oldd5Ua7JZI7ceUlBNr0YfX1tJIlFRmgUjceYrIy1rUEsRVqHanxg4Gn-QguhUzYkJSB1Oe24qoPlYwE_E5v0v40FoiirGY6PewBthnuEYLljOY1S1qqESEZxoByqOj8m3jmGldKJaGHxQ2NhLx3YZk2IRPkQ7I_41OZ_wFlh47XDaVb7q5HJE3eSh8nDU.lKsyh4vWuNhZT6OtfDhWhtn_d8PL7eoC2rYi2YfvPI0&dib_tag=se&keywords=BEKOMIYA%2BHeated%2BGilet%2Bfor%2BMen&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1732036195&s=apparel&sprefix=bekomiya%2Bheated%2Bgilet%2Bfor%2Bmen%2B%2Cfashion%2C82&sr=1-5&th=1&psc=1 I also like the look of this one but it does not come with a battery...https://www.amazon.co.uk/FERNIDA-Heated-Electric-Battery-Included/dp/B08FJ7G83C/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 5 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Was it an Ebay Chinese special? Oh yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Hello, My first heated waist coat was a Chinese special, It fell apart with the stitching and stopped working , It lasted 2 year and about £15 so not much lost, I have the Deer Hunter but if i were after buying another it would be New Forest Clothing own brand on special offer, Yes a tad more than Amazon but would have a decent warranty and better made, £10 for a Power Bank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Second year up in Scotland and it’s been -10c AGAIN!! Is a heated gilet good or heated thermals (top and bottom set). It ain’t half cold with that wind on you 🏴🥶🥶🥶 27 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, My first heated waist coat was a Chinese special, It fell apart with the stitching and stopped working , It lasted 2 year and about £15 so not much lost, I have the Deer Hunter but if i were after buying another it would be New Forest Clothing own brand on special offer, Yes a tad more than Amazon but would have a decent warranty and better made, £10 for a Power Bank Is it this one? https://www.newforestclothing.co.uk/products/new-forest-heated-fleece-gilet-navy?currency=GBP&variant=43465829810367&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&stkn=940ac4c0cddf&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=19974417098&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADt503mZmkznZTjchmkhvo7prKw7T&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhpWi8dHriQMVNKJQBh0Inx6uEAQYASABEgI2MvD_BwE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Second year up in Scotland and it’s been -10c AGAIN!! Is a heated gilet good or heated thermals (top and bottom set). It ain’t half cold with that wind on you 🏴🥶🥶🥶 Is it this one? https://www.newforestclothing.co.uk/products/new-forest-heated-fleece-gilet-navy?currency=GBP&variant=43465829810367&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&stkn=940ac4c0cddf&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=19974417098&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADt503mZmkznZTjchmkhvo7prKw7T&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhpWi8dHriQMVNKJQBh0Inx6uEAQYASABEgI2MvD_BwE Hello, If i was buying another heated jacket it would be the fleece type, wear over a shirt with a thin top and shooting coat, and a scarf, i realy feel the cold and have 3 sets of under wear thermals from primark, my son bought me a set from M and S and i find very very warm without the need to switch on heated waistcoat, He also bought me a power bank which lasts all day on low heat so it must be the a high mAh , I have not looked at the heated thermals, If you shooting in - 10 add some warm gloves and thermal hat and you should be ok, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 24 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Second year up in Scotland and it’s been -10c AGAIN!! Is a heated gilet good or heated thermals (top and bottom set). It ain’t half cold with that wind on you 🏴🥶🥶🥶 Is it this one? https://www.newforestclothing.co.uk/products/new-forest-heated-fleece-gilet-navy?currency=GBP&variant=43465829810367&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google Shopping&stkn=940ac4c0cddf&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=19974417098&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADt503mZmkznZTjchmkhvo7prKw7T&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhpWi8dHriQMVNKJQBh0Inx6uEAQYASABEgI2MvD_BwE Don't be such a wimp Lloyd , minus 10 isn't nothing to worry about , you should have climatised yourself before you went by putting your hands in the freezer for a few minutes each day 😄 , still how was the shooting this year and did you see good numbers MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, marsh man said: Don't be such a wimp Lloyd , minus 10 isn't nothing to worry about , you should have climatised yourself before you went by putting your hands in the freezer for a few minutes each day 😄 , still how was the shooting this year and did you see good numbers MM Hello, I wish there were heated jackets in 1963 🤔😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I wish there were heated jackets in 1963 🤔😄 So do I , that was the only year when I had my brothers paratropper's camo jacket on one day when I went wildfowling in what they called Black ice ( freezing drizzle ) when I got home my hands were so cold I couldn't pull the frozen zip down , my ole chap was at home and when he pulled the zip down he stood the jacket up in the corner of the living room as it had froze solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, marsh man said: Don't be such a wimp Lloyd , minus 10 isn't nothing to worry about , you should have climatised yourself before you went by putting your hands in the freezer for a few minutes each day 😄 , still how was the shooting this year and did you see good numbers MM I’ll write it all up when I get back mate and have the laptop. We saw massive numbers the first day but they were hanging just out of range. So cold that night the duck ponds froze so shoot cancelled, same happened last year 🤦♂️. Didn’t see hardly any today, but the few small skeins that came over did commit right in to the decoys and I dropped a few nice birds. Had a brilliant flight tonight on a large pond where we took 20 duck. Last goose flight tomorrow before we head home. I took my GoPro this year so have some great footage I’ll edit together once back home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 32 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I’ll write it all up when I get back mate and have the laptop. We saw massive numbers the first day but they were hanging just out of range. So cold that night the duck ponds froze so shoot cancelled, same happened last year 🤦♂️. Didn’t see hardly any today, but the few small skeins that came over did commit right in to the decoys and I dropped a few nice birds. Had a brilliant flight tonight on a large pond where we took 20 duck. Last goose flight tomorrow before we head home. I took my GoPro this year so have some great footage I’ll edit together once back home Looking forward to the update Lloyd and glad you are getting some shooting in some proper wildfowling weather , it's been really cold here the last two days but the wind have dropped, the sky is clear so a sharp frost in the morning . MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, marsh man said: So do I , that was the only year when I had my brothers paratropper's camo jacket on one day when I went wildfowling in what they called Black ice ( freezing drizzle ) when I got home my hands were so cold I couldn't pull the frozen zip down , my ole chap was at home and when he pulled the zip down he stood the jacket up in the corner of the living room as it had froze solid Hello, Yes it was very cold, The pigeons froze on top of the sprout stalks, We had an old car bonnet for sledging on the hill, happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted Friday at 01:19 Report Share Posted Friday at 01:19 On 17/11/2024 at 09:38, old'un said: My actual chest measurement is 45” so I ordered XL will see what it fits like when it arrives . Might help others if you say where you got if from and what it cost? I am around a 44” chest. The Amazon one says an XL is 49”… assume this is wrong though? I am a XXL in my other non heated gilets, seeland etc, who’s XXL is a 44” chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted Friday at 05:57 Report Share Posted Friday at 05:57 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: I am a XXL in my other non heated gilets, seeland etc, who’s XXL is a 44” chest. I've ordered the odd item of clothing from AliExpress and I'm at least XXXL! In European terms, I normally fit small/medium clothing 😂 Edited Friday at 05:58 by Houseplant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted Friday at 07:20 Report Share Posted Friday at 07:20 Try some of these as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted Friday at 08:09 Report Share Posted Friday at 08:09 On 20/11/2024 at 18:59, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, My first heated waist coat was a Chinese special, It fell apart with the stitching and stopped working , It lasted 2 year and about £15 so not much lost, I have the Deer Hunter but if i were after buying another it would be New Forest Clothing own brand on special offer, Yes a tad more than Amazon but would have a decent warranty and better made, £10 for a Power Bank Are they that much better? Comparing to one on Amazon, similar price, Amazon one has 6 heat zones, NFC has 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Friday at 08:42 Report Share Posted Friday at 08:42 15 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Are they that much better? Comparing to one on Amazon, similar price, Amazon one has 6 heat zones, NFC has 3. Hello, I did not find the chinese one off ebay any better than the Deer Hunter, I only bought it as was very reduced in price, If i was looking again i reckon the New Forest own brand heated fleece would be my choice even with 3 heated areas , the deer hunter came with free power bank and i bought another of same so both on last all day on low, Over a shirt with thermal top and jacket seems to work for me, Am beating on Tuesday so will be wearing the latter, Although it forecasts rain😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted Friday at 09:07 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 09:07 7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: I am around a 44” chest. The Amazon one says an XL is 49”… assume this is wrong though? I am a XXL in my other non heated gilets, seeland etc, who’s XXL is a 44” chest. These heated gilets are meant to-be worn close to your body, the first one I ordered from Amazon was the micro fleece XL, it was a snug (not tight) fit, it was a nice gilet well made and the heat from it was good but it did not feel right when swinging the gun, the second one I ordered, which came yesterday was a smooth type, this felt much better under my shooting coat and had less drag when swinging the gun, I ordered the XL again and fit was again snug but not tight, it is lightly padded and comes with a battery 16000mAh, its a nice gilet and well made, my only criticism would be the heating zones are not as described, I can feel heat from the neck, shoulders and upper back pads and some heat in the lower front (pocket area) but very little from the upper chest and lower back, there does not seem to-be any heating pads in these areas. Sizing does seem to verie between suppliers but the XL in these gilets is about right for my measured chest of 45”, if it was a shooting coat I think you would need to go up a size or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Friday at 09:19 Report Share Posted Friday at 09:19 10 minutes ago, old'un said: These heated gilets are meant to-be worn close to your body, the first one I ordered from Amazon was the micro fleece XL, it was a snug (not tight) fit, it was a nice gilet well made and the heat from it was good but it did not feel right when swinging the gun, the second one I ordered, which came yesterday was a smooth type, this felt much better under my shooting coat and had less drag when swinging the gun, I ordered the XL again and fit was again snug but not tight, it is lightly padded and comes with a battery 16000mAh, its a nice gilet and well made, my only criticism would be the heating zones are not as described, I can feel heat from the neck, shoulders and upper back pads and some heat in the lower front (pocket area) but very little from the upper chest and lower back, there does not seem to-be any heating pads in these areas. Sizing does seem to verie between suppliers but the XL in these gilets is about right for my measured chest of 45”, if it was a shooting coat I think you would need to go up a size or two. Hello, That was good with a Power Bank, Let us know how you get on ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted Friday at 09:34 Report Share Posted Friday at 09:34 25 minutes ago, old'un said: These heated gilets are meant to-be worn close to your body, the first one I ordered from Amazon was the micro fleece XL, it was a snug (not tight) fit, it was a nice gilet well made and the heat from it was good but it did not feel right when swinging the gun, the second one I ordered, which came yesterday was a smooth type, this felt much better under my shooting coat and had less drag when swinging the gun, I ordered the XL again and fit was again snug but not tight, it is lightly padded and comes with a battery 16000mAh, its a nice gilet and well made, my only criticism would be the heating zones are not as described, I can feel heat from the neck, shoulders and upper back pads and some heat in the lower front (pocket area) but very little from the upper chest and lower back, there does not seem to-be any heating pads in these areas. Sizing does seem to verie between suppliers but the XL in these gilets is about right for my measured chest of 45”, if it was a shooting coat I think you would need to go up a size or two. I have found with other thermals that a bit of a gap / looser fit allows a layer of warm air to be between the garment and your skin. I have no idea if these are the same fit. I have ordered the XXL. I ordered a new Forest and an Amazon one and will compare and return the lesser product if not good. How much did people pay for the new Forest gilet? I am sure it was similar price last night … £89 with the “Black Friday discount” apparently… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Friday at 09:38 Report Share Posted Friday at 09:38 2 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I have found with other thermals that a bit of a gap / looser fit allows a layer of warm air to be between the garment and your skin. I have no idea if these are the same fit. I have ordered the XXL. I ordered a new Forest and an Amazon one and will compare and return the lesser product if not good. How much did people pay for the new Forest gilet? I am sure it was similar price last night … £89 with the “Black Friday discount” apparently… It will be interesting to see which you rate the best value for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted Friday at 09:47 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 09:47 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I have found with other thermals that a bit of a gap / looser fit allows a layer of warm air to be between the garment and your skin. I have no idea if these are the same fit. I have ordered the XXL. I ordered a new Forest and an Amazon one and will compare and return the lesser product if not good. How much did people pay for the new Forest gilet? I am sure it was similar price last night … £89 with the “Black Friday discount” apparently… This is the first one a bought, it is very similar to the New Forest gilet, the heat from the gilet was very good and comes with a 1200mAh battery, one thing to keep in mind is heat pads in the pocket area as when your hands start to get really cold you can warm them up in the pockets, as I said in an earlier post I found the micro fleece had a little bit of drag when swinging the gun... https://www.amazon.co.uk/LABCOOL-12000mAh-Heating-Motorcycle-Activities/dp/B0D8WDCL2Y/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1HIVU4REPAS5L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8ByShDSEhOlurVVgaS96YPkYMrFkpwuA2W7kdMvHmX6eCZrytsScpPxzSOvyWMLWtwS9YQjjk6T_eT43i9paG_nIrkpDl2nP4AJGKMffmWI4wbIdRO_JNcLLhVz2JSwuoJKesi7eNjy5XDGQ5qtUcFZfW6yMlLtgTNQKZsV4EY09Fs-JE7eP1jZJIGUqswV26nGesjc0ERuzgjK_EpvLPl77fklcIa3ZavBO1KUqLVUJ9WSx5NRmRIYt_c-rtfYbO_ZhFJZGj_dHx9kWwhHt4HfjvxGNSJ28-hMH8EBF4vc.VfkMfJkYZ13Z306jH98Hui_rVs0yIZ6IZzGLBNtzrus&dib_tag=se&keywords=heated%2Bwaistcoat&qid=1731770946&refinements=p_n_size_two_browse-vebin%3A14223229031%2Cp_n_feature_thirty-six_browse-bin%3A96332067031&rnid=96332065031&s=apparel&sprefix=heated%2Bwastecoa%2Caps%2C89&sr=1-7&th=1 Edited Friday at 09:48 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Friday at 10:11 Report Share Posted Friday at 10:11 21 minutes ago, old'un said: This is the first one a bought, it is very similar to the New Forest gilet, the heat from the gilet was very good and comes with a 1200mAh battery, one thing to keep in mind is heat pads in the pocket area as when your hands start to get really cold you can warm them up in the pockets, as I said in an earlier post I found the micro fleece had a little bit of drag when swinging the gun... https://www.amazon.co.uk/LABCOOL-12000mAh-Heating-Motorcycle-Activities/dp/B0D8WDCL2Y/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1HIVU4REPAS5L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8ByShDSEhOlurVVgaS96YPkYMrFkpwuA2W7kdMvHmX6eCZrytsScpPxzSOvyWMLWtwS9YQjjk6T_eT43i9paG_nIrkpDl2nP4AJGKMffmWI4wbIdRO_JNcLLhVz2JSwuoJKesi7eNjy5XDGQ5qtUcFZfW6yMlLtgTNQKZsV4EY09Fs-JE7eP1jZJIGUqswV26nGesjc0ERuzgjK_EpvLPl77fklcIa3ZavBO1KUqLVUJ9WSx5NRmRIYt_c-rtfYbO_ZhFJZGj_dHx9kWwhHt4HfjvxGNSJ28-hMH8EBF4vc.VfkMfJkYZ13Z306jH98Hui_rVs0yIZ6IZzGLBNtzrus&dib_tag=se&keywords=heated%2Bwaistcoat&qid=1731770946&refinements=p_n_size_two_browse-vebin%3A14223229031%2Cp_n_feature_thirty-six_browse-bin%3A96332067031&rnid=96332065031&s=apparel&sprefix=heated%2Bwastecoa%2Caps%2C89&sr=1-7&th=1 Hello, That one looks good and has more heat panels than mine, Not sure I would put in wash though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted Friday at 11:00 Report Share Posted Friday at 11:00 1 hour ago, old'un said: This is the first one a bought, it is very similar to the New Forest gilet, the heat from the gilet was very good and comes with a 1200mAh battery, one thing to keep in mind is heat pads in the pocket area as when your hands start to get really cold you can warm them up in the pockets, as I said in an earlier post I found the micro fleece had a little bit of drag when swinging the gun... https://www.amazon.co.uk/LABCOOL-12000mAh-Heating-Motorcycle-Activities/dp/B0D8WDCL2Y/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1HIVU4REPAS5L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8ByShDSEhOlurVVgaS96YPkYMrFkpwuA2W7kdMvHmX6eCZrytsScpPxzSOvyWMLWtwS9YQjjk6T_eT43i9paG_nIrkpDl2nP4AJGKMffmWI4wbIdRO_JNcLLhVz2JSwuoJKesi7eNjy5XDGQ5qtUcFZfW6yMlLtgTNQKZsV4EY09Fs-JE7eP1jZJIGUqswV26nGesjc0ERuzgjK_EpvLPl77fklcIa3ZavBO1KUqLVUJ9WSx5NRmRIYt_c-rtfYbO_ZhFJZGj_dHx9kWwhHt4HfjvxGNSJ28-hMH8EBF4vc.VfkMfJkYZ13Z306jH98Hui_rVs0yIZ6IZzGLBNtzrus&dib_tag=se&keywords=heated%2Bwaistcoat&qid=1731770946&refinements=p_n_size_two_browse-vebin%3A14223229031%2Cp_n_feature_thirty-six_browse-bin%3A96332067031&rnid=96332065031&s=apparel&sprefix=heated%2Bwastecoa%2Caps%2C89&sr=1-7&th=1 I’ve also ordered a smooth one off New Forest. Got 3 to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted Sunday at 21:39 Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:39 On 22/11/2024 at 09:47, old'un said: This is the first one a bought, it is very similar to the New Forest gilet, the heat from the gilet was very good and comes with a 1200mAh battery, one thing to keep in mind is heat pads in the pocket area as when your hands start to get really cold you can warm them up in the pockets, as I said in an earlier post I found the micro fleece had a little bit of drag when swinging the gun... https://www.amazon.co.uk/LABCOOL-12000mAh-Heating-Motorcycle-Activities/dp/B0D8WDCL2Y/ref=sr_1_7?crid=1HIVU4REPAS5L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.8ByShDSEhOlurVVgaS96YPkYMrFkpwuA2W7kdMvHmX6eCZrytsScpPxzSOvyWMLWtwS9YQjjk6T_eT43i9paG_nIrkpDl2nP4AJGKMffmWI4wbIdRO_JNcLLhVz2JSwuoJKesi7eNjy5XDGQ5qtUcFZfW6yMlLtgTNQKZsV4EY09Fs-JE7eP1jZJIGUqswV26nGesjc0ERuzgjK_EpvLPl77fklcIa3ZavBO1KUqLVUJ9WSx5NRmRIYt_c-rtfYbO_ZhFJZGj_dHx9kWwhHt4HfjvxGNSJ28-hMH8EBF4vc.VfkMfJkYZ13Z306jH98Hui_rVs0yIZ6IZzGLBNtzrus&dib_tag=se&keywords=heated%2Bwaistcoat&qid=1731770946&refinements=p_n_size_two_browse-vebin%3A14223229031%2Cp_n_feature_thirty-six_browse-bin%3A96332067031&rnid=96332065031&s=apparel&sprefix=heated%2Bwastecoa%2Caps%2C89&sr=1-7&th=1 Got this one so far, it definitely gets warm… imagine it would have been lovely last week when it was -10c in Scotland. Not a huge fan of the fit and quality. Waiting for the 2 NFC ones to arrive and compare. The amazon heated socks I bought don’t even work as far as I can tell 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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