Trump

[Gordon R]

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but trump the bleach drinker an intellectual heavyweight

He never actually said that.

I did not claim he was Albert Einstein, but he appears way brighter than the Labour airheads I mentioned. 

[Rewulf]

15 hours ago, Gordon R said:

He never actually said that.

No he didnt, but that didnt stop the press from widely proclaiming thats exactly what he said.
Then someone comes along and says there is no media bias towards him 

It beggars belief sometimes just how badly and inaccurately he is treated by the media, and how gullible certain people are in believing what is written or said.

Ive been watching the grilling the senate house dems  have been giving his picks for sec of defence and AG, absolutely shameful how they cast aspersions on the character of people who have served their country, but, as soon as you associate yourself with the Trump, you are (in their eyes) no longer fit for the job.
Shameful behaviour.

Its a pity there isnt a process to vet ministers in this country, as first secretary starlins picks could have been pulled apart likewise, and exposed for the corrupt , liars. and incompetent chancers that they are.

[ryle]

I was at a tree conference on the day of the election. There were plenty of the more hippy types present. Two girls in thier late 20s were stood behind me. One said something like "Ohhh, he's won by the looks of it" whilst looking at her phone is a dismayed tone of voice. 

The other said something like "Oh I know, its bad"  I'd already smiled and made eye contact before chiming in on thier conversation and said something like the following... "I'm not an American, I dont pay tax into America, don't educate my child in America, dont live in America, dont buy groceries in America and dont know what day to day life is like in America. If people have voted the current government out, it has to be for a good reason and none of us here can truly understand that whilst we live in the UK" They did understand my point and took it well, we than chatted about the conference in a happy manner. 

As we've said, with the media bias against him, you sometimes feel at risk for even mildly defending him. 

[islandgun]

I'm sure he is a wonderful person, if he helps bring about world peace I will happily take back any negative thoughts I may have for him....the same applies to all the other world leaders, random politicians, hangers on and all wannabe important types who seem intent on ####### everything up.😄

[TIGHTCHOKE]

39 minutes ago, islandgun said:

I'm sure he is a wonderful person, if he helps bring about world peace I will happily take back any negative thoughts I may have for him....the same applies to all the other world leaders, random politicians, hangers on and all wannabe important types who seem intent on ####### everything up.😄

Amen to that.    

[armsid]

Trump does one thing our leaders refuse to do    put his country first

[Gordon R]

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The other said something like "Oh I know, its bad"  I'd already smiled and made eye contact before chiming in on thier conversation and said something like the following... "I'm not an American, I dont pay tax into America, don't educate my child in America, dont live in America, dont buy groceries in America and dont know what day to day life is like in America. If people have voted the current government out, it has to be for a good reason and none of us here can truly understand that whilst we live in the UK" They did understand my point and took it well, we than chatted about the conference in a happy manner. 

As we've said, with the media bias against him, you sometimes feel at risk for even mildly defending him. 

 

At risk from whom? PS- I am surprised they let you finish your filibuster. Are you sure they let you finish or did they just nod off? 🙂

[ryle]

1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

At risk from whom? PS- I am surprised they let you finish your filibuster. Are you sure they let you finish or did they just nod off? 🙂

I suppose what I mean is if I were to defend some of trumps points I expect a bit more controversy than defending biden straight off the cuff. As we've said the majority of people (I interact with anyway) will roll thier eyes somewhat, giving a wee hint that you are somehow stupid. This was my point with the girls, several hundred million people are not necessarily stupid for voting one way or another. 

Yeah, they let me finish ha ha. I suppose that sometimes it's how you make a point, rather than the point itself when explaining your position on a topic.

Anyway, American politics and British politics are just not fully comparable in my opinion. Its a funny old world thats for sure 

[Weihrauch17]

I am hoping he totally humiliates Starmer and his god awful cabinet and AG at every opportunity.  He will start with Chagos I guess.

[ryle]

9 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

I am hoping he totally humiliates Starmer and his god awful cabinet and AG at every opportunity.  He will start with Chagos I guess.

Yeah I agree. But, I have to be honest and say that I hope he stays out of our politics as much as possible in other ways. Like with Elon, as much as I do dislike our current clown show (and the previous wasn't perfect) I do believe that such outside interference should not happen. Labour sent representatives of some sort to the states to help promote Harris I believe and again, thats wrong in my view. The Conservatives did the same I think with Bush (I think), again I personally think that was wrong. 

[Gordon R]

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Yeah, they let me finish ha ha. I suppose that sometimes it's how you make a point, rather than the point itself when explaining your position on a topic.

Lost me there.

I think it would be far easier to defend Trump than Biden. Donald only puts his hand on adults, rather than touching young girls inappropriately.

[Weihrauch17]

Just watched his rally, absolutely fantastic.  Oh how I wish we had a Government that cares about their own like he does, ours are the exact opposite and an utter disgrace.

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, ryle said:

Yeah I agree. But, I have to be honest and say that I hope he stays out of our politics as much as possible in other ways. Like with Elon, as much as I do dislike our current clown show (and the previous wasn't perfect) I do believe that such outside interference should not happen. Labour sent representatives of some sort to the states to help promote Harris I believe and again, thats wrong in my view. The Conservatives did the same I think with Bush (I think), again I personally think that was wrong. 

The problem is, the UK is a diminished force, we need the USA and our politicians are utterly stupid, they might personally dislike Trump, but rather than be diplomatic and keep good ties, they have been utterly rude to him. To disrespect the POTUS/President elect, is to disrespect the American people and their country. I'd honestly expect more professionalism from a parish council than the disgrace of our government. 

Thank god we've got Farage to mediate behind the scenes, or I fear the special relationship would be thrown in the bin by Starmer and co, with the financial and security consequences that would follow. 

[LeadWasp]

On 18/01/2025 at 15:25, Rewulf said:

No he didnt, but that didnt stop the press from widely proclaiming thats exactly what he said.
Then someone comes along and says there is no media bias towards him 

It beggars belief sometimes just how badly and inaccurately he is treated by the media, and how gullible certain people are in believing what is written or said.

Ive been watching the grilling the senate house dems  have been giving his picks for sec of defence and AG, absolutely shameful how they cast aspersions on the character of people who have served their country, but, as soon as you associate yourself with the Trump, you are (in their eyes) no longer fit for the job.
Shameful behaviour.

Its a pity there isnt a process to vet ministers in this country, as first secretary starlins picks could have been pulled apart likewise, and exposed for the corrupt , liars. and incompetent chancers that they are.

He suggested injecting - it was his own White House staffers ripping the **** out of him that started the drinking thing (remember this was first term...when his team still had adults present) "Can I get you a Latte or would you rather have a Clorox?".

Injection - not a sensitive suggestion if you know your history, injection of a certain disinfectant - carbolic acid (phenol) -sickeningly was found to be a most efficient method of execution at Sonnestein then later Birkenau.   Diana Rowden, Vera Leigh, Andrée Borrel and Sonya Olschanezky of SOE where murdered this way at Natzweiler.  Some of them believed still alive as they were put into the ovens. 

It is interesting how the pro-Trump lobby always project onto others. Shameful how they cast their aspertions when Trump has spent his years in politics, without provocation or basis, being absolutely vile about people to his tribe - yet lacks the courage to carry that through when he meets the person in public. Coward. 

 

Edited Monday at 14:28 by LeadWasp

[JohnfromUK]

5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

The problem is, the UK is a diminished force, we need the USA and our politicians are utterly stupid, they might personally dislike Trump, but rather than be diplomatic and keep good ties, they have been utterly rude to him. To disrespect the POTUS/President elect, is to disrespect the American people and their country. I'd honestly expect more professionalism from a parish council than the disgrace of our government. 

This highlights the key issue;

• There is Donald Trump, businessman, 'showman/TV personality(?)', politician - and larger than life 'character'
• There is the 'Office of President of the United States' - the USA's Head of State.

Whether you like and respect the first is (or should be) largely immaterial and a personal thing; you would be VERY foolish not to respect the second.  The USA is still a huge (the most important?) economic, and military 'power' in the world.  The USA is (or at least should be) our greatest friend and ally.

For the next 4 years, the Office of President is held (as chosen by the Electorate of the USA) by Donald Trump.  Respect for the Office of President must therefore extend to include Donald Trump in his official capacity.

We have a non elected Head of State who is 'non political' - the USA do things differently and they elect a politically active Head of State.  That's another thing we MUST respect.

Our present Gov't absolutely MUST learn the need to respect, work with, and listen to our allies.  The late Queen had the correct policy; you do the job and personal/personality is not to get in the way of that.  As you say, "we need the USA" (and we can be a help and moral support to them even as a diminished force) - and that is the key to the job.

[Robden]

13 hours ago, armsid said:

Trump does one thing our leaders refuse to do    put his country first

Two things. He does what he says he'll do.

[Rewulf]

10 hours ago, LeadWasp said:

He suggested injecting it

Lets clarify shall we what he actually said, or would you rather repeat ad nauseum what the lefty press said incorrectly ?

Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.

His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.

Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.

Here are his full comments:

"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

He continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.

"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."

He was mostly referring to the accepted method of killing harmful organisms through ultra violet sterilisation, often used to sterilise water.
He never 'suggested' it, he said the science was interesting and should be looked at.
This didnt stop the media, and other parties citing that Trump said 'Drink bleach and youll be OK' 
 

 

[Gordon R]

The anti trump brigade never stop or let facts cloud the issue. Trump is a breathe of fresh air in politics.

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

Trump is a breathe of fresh air in politics.

Exactly.

He grabs the system by the throat, and gives it a good shake.
Im not saying hes a perfect person by any stretch, but he is whats desperately needed, a wildcard, something different, and whats more important, what the American people wanted and voted for.
 

[12gauge82]

6 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

This highlights the key issue;

• There is Donald Trump, businessman, 'showman/TV personality(?)', politician - and larger than life 'character'
• There is the 'Office of President of the United States' - the USA's Head of State.

Whether you like and respect the first is (or should be) largely immaterial and a personal thing; you would be VERY foolish not to respect the second.  The USA is still a huge (the most important?) economic, and military 'power' in the world.  The USA is (or at least should be) our greatest friend and ally.

For the next 4 years, the Office of President is held (as chosen by the Electorate of the USA) by Donald Trump.  Respect for the Office of President must therefore extend to include Donald Trump in his official capacity.

We have a non elected Head of State who is 'non political' - the USA do things differently and they elect a politically active Head of State.  That's another thing we MUST respect.

Our present Gov't absolutely MUST learn the need to respect, work with, and listen to our allies.  The late Queen had the correct policy; you do the job and personal/personality is not to get in the way of that.  As you say, "we need the USA" (and we can be a help and moral support to them even as a diminished force) - and that is the key to the job.

That's explained much better than I did John.

I just can't wrap my head around the behaviour of our sitting government. They obviously know what they've done isn't in the UKs best interests and yet they've chosen to do it anyway.

In my opinion, when someone takes a position that makes them responsible for other people, whether that's a carer, a leader in an organisation or the government of the UK, the position becomes bigger and more important than than the individual stepping into that role.

Your responsibilities are no longer solely to yourself, but to ensure the welfare of everyone your position represents. What Kier and co have done by putting their own selfish beliefs in front of their responsibilities as our leaders is disrespected our American allies, disrespected and disregarded their responsibilitys as our leaders and disrespected the people of the UK. 

Put simply, they're not fit to run a club, let alone a country. It's surely basic fundamentals. 

[LeadWasp]

8 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Lets clarify shall we what he actually said, or would you rather repeat ad nauseum what the lefty press said incorrectly ?

Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.

His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.

Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.

Here are his full comments:

"A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?"

He continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

Later, Trump clarified his comments after a reporter asked Bryan whether disinfectants could actually be injected into COVID-19 patients.

"It wouldn’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."

He was mostly referring to the accepted method of killing harmful organisms through ultra violet sterilisation, often used to sterilise water.
He never 'suggested' it, he said the science was interesting and should be looked at.
This didnt stop the media, and other parties citing that Trump said 'Drink bleach and youll be OK' 
 

 

So he doesn't even know his own mind.  Later clarified = realised he'd made an *** of himself again.

"Lets clarify shall we what he actually said, or would you rather repeat ad nauseum what the lefty press said incorrectly ?"  He actually said "by injection". As much as you may want to ring the press bias bell you can't escape what he said. He literally said 'by injection' in a live televised press conference.

It might be said that "he never 'suggested' it, he said the science was interesting and should be looked at" yet even a child knows that injecting disinfectant is a really stupid idea. So why was he even pondering it when people were dying and looking for leadership. Whether proposal, question or otherwise here you have the great man himself parading as leader talking absolute nonsense in the middle of a crisis. He was, is and continues to be an absolute embarrassment to the US. The sad thing is so many have fallen under his spell pitifully believing that Trump stands for them. What is worse is that they can't even examine his actions and constantly reappraise whether Trump actually is out for Trump.  So the double embarrassment is that in wanting solutions to their own complex life problems they seek salvation in a corrupt, hateful man.  It's like a religion - blind faith or heresy. 

[JohnfromUK]

13 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

That's explained much better than I did John.

I just can't wrap my head around the behaviour of our sitting government. They obviously know what they've done isn't in the UKs best interests and yet they've chosen to do it anyway.

In my opinion, when someone takes a position that makes them responsible for other people, whether that's a carer, a leader in an organisation or the government of the UK, the position becomes bigger and more important than than the individual stepping into that role.

Your responsibilities are no longer solely to yourself, but to ensure the welfare of everyone your position represents. What Kier and co have done by putting their own selfish beliefs in front of their responsibilities as our leaders is disrespected our American allies, disrespected and disregarded their responsibilitys as our leaders and disrespected the people of the UK. 

Put simply, they're not fit to run a club, let alone a country. It's surely basic fundamentals. 

Thanks.  I was going to reply more re our Gov't - but will be brief on that as I don't want to draw the thread away from the subject "Trump".  The brief reply is that they are doing their 'lefty policies' which they believe they were elected to do.  (In fact wrongly as I believe they were elected more as a protest against their predecessors incompetence)

I guess back on topic, Trump will (in a similar way) be doing his 'MAGA' policies as he believes (and in his case rightly, though there was initially some anti senile Biden, that reason went when he stood down) that is what he was elected to do.

[serrac]

9 minutes ago, LeadWasp said:

yet even a child knows that injecting disinfectant is a really stupid idea

Depends on your definition of "disinfectant".

Antibiotics could be considered disinfectants as they clear infection from the body.

There are also a number of chemicals which have disinfectant properties which are also used in medical settings, H2O2, colloidal silver & chlorine dioxide to name a few (which were all suggested at some point as possibly beneficial against Covid).

Reporting that Trump advocated injecting bleach without clarifying what he was actually referring to is just typically dishonest reporting by leftist media.

[LeadWasp]

Depends on your definition of "disinfectant". I wonder if a MAGA champ can really make subtle distictions?

Antibiotics could be considered disinfectants as they clear infection from the body. Obfuscation

There are also a number of chemicals which have disinfectant properties which are also used in medical settings, H2O2, colloidal silver & chlorine dioxide to name a few (which were all suggested at some point as possibly beneficial against Covid). None of these are injectable without consequence

Reporting that Trump advocated injecting bleach without clarifying what he was actually referring to is just typically dishonest reporting by leftist media. Bleach - obsessed by bleach... yet unable to appraise what he actually said. You cannot escape the fact that he was examining the idea of injecting disinfectant, live, on TV.

[Rewulf]

19 minutes ago, LeadWasp said:

It might be said that "he never 'suggested' it, he said the science was interesting and should be looked at" yet even a child knows that injecting disinfectant is a really stupid idea.

20 minutes ago, LeadWasp said:

The sad thing is so many have fallen under his spell pitifully believing that Trump stands for them.

So how many of those under his 'spell' went ahead with his 'suggestion' and injected themselves with bleach, disinfectant ect ?
There were suggestions made from many quarters on how to combat those with serious covid conditions, some more sensible than others.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/01/18/1073292913/a-year-in-experts-assess-bidens-hits-and-misses-on-handling-the-pandemic

In fact, Biden issued a pre emptive pardon for Anthony Fauci for anything he MAY have done wrong during his time basically in charge of the US covid response. Despite the fact that no charges are pending or planned.
Why would he need to do that ?
Bidens response to covid, was to grunt incoherently about it, then fall over.

Trump talked about it, suggested science look at different ways to fight it, he got involved, and was lambasted for it.
You, for your part take the 'basket of deplorables' opinion and call half of American voters pitiful, for their blind faith in a 'corrupt, hateful man', then throw in a nazi connection for good measure.
Just remember Trump was none of these things to the US media, until he stood for POTUS.