Oh dear, another Minister gone.

[ditchman]

and here we all are...the electorate.........and there is NAFF ALL WE CAN DO ABOUT IT...

[mel b3]

14 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

 

I'm sure he would tell you he is an HONOURABLE man.

 

But we know differently................................

Yep , we already know that he is a liar , and a corrupt politician.

[Vince Green]

On 08/02/2025 at 19:38, TIGHTCHOKE said:

ALL VERY strange, how did he ever think he could post such offensive garbage and get away with it?

That's the deeply worrying part of it all.

The complete lack of awareness

[GrayA]

19 hours ago, mel b3 said:

I find what he did much less offensive than the prime minister taking back handers of free glasses and free suits etc . That's just pure straightforward corruption.

Nothing more than you'd expect from two tier kier though .

People that wear free glasses , shouldn't throw stones.

Starmer didn't break a single rule, so how on earth is it "Corruption?" Now argue that the rules are wrong but thats down to Parliament to change. Starmer also didn't take gifts whilst PM.

I cannot stand the guy & feel Labour got elected purely because of our very strange voting system.... he cannot lead the country when just 33% voted for him... but making stuff up about politicians you don't like isn't being even handed or fair.

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And now a second Labour MP from the same WhatsApp group has been named;

 Oliver Ryan MP for Burnley.

[243ack]

So who is 'dobbing them in'?. WhatsApp groups are encrypted end to end - so it must have been someone within their group?.

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, 243ack said:

So who is 'dobbing them in'?. WhatsApp groups are encrypted end to end - so it must have been someone within their group?.

In politics you watch your back when with your friends, not your (political) enemies.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

14 minutes ago, 243ack said:

So who is 'dobbing them in'?. WhatsApp groups are encrypted end to end - so it must have been someone within their group?.

Someone who these two and the rest of the Whatsapp group trusted....................................

[TIGHTCHOKE]

According to The Daily Telegraph, external, left-wing members of the Tameside Council in Greater Manchester are accused of leaking posts from the WhatsApp group, which led to the sacking of Gwynne. The paper says he's been in "a bitter row" with other members over plans for pension reforms, and the incident has laid bare the division within Labour over Sir Keir's tilt towards economic growth.

[JohnfromUK]

31 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Someone who these two and the rest of the Whatsapp group trusted....................................

Any one who trusts a politician is not suitable material for running a bath let alone a country.  The whole 'art' of politics is one of weaving a web of deception, broken promises and falsehoods.

[old man]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

Any one who trusts a politician is not suitable material for running a bath let alone a country.  The whole 'art' of politics is one of weaving a web of deception, broken promises and falsehoods.

Succinctly put John.

[mel b3]

2 hours ago, GrayA said:

Starmer didn't break a single rule, so how on earth is it "Corruption?" Now argue that the rules are wrong but thats down to Parliament to change. Starmer also didn't take gifts whilst PM.

I cannot stand the guy & feel Labour got elected purely because of our very strange voting system.... he cannot lead the country when just 33% voted for him... but making stuff up about politicians you don't like isn't being even handed or fair.

 

If you think that accepting free gifts for favours is OK,  then that's up to you . I see it as taking bribes for political favours , and corrupt.

[GrayA]

14 minutes ago, mel b3 said:

If you think that accepting free gifts for favours is OK,  then that's up to you . I see it as taking bribes for political favours , and corrupt.

You can see it how ever you want but corruption has a defined meaning & its not your version, in what way did Starmer act dishonestly and fraudulently? esp as he took these gifts whilst leader of the opposition

Starmer took gifts, declared them in the list of members interests, thats how we all got to hear about them.

What political favours did Starmer give anyone? 

Like i said, its the rules that are wrong.

Btw, i don't agree with any politician taking any gifts whatsoever but if they are allowed too, then they should be taxed, any of us taking these amounts in gifts would have to declare them to HMRC.

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, GrayA said:

What political favours did Starmer give anyone? 

You do understand that the very idea of giving or doing favours in return for, lets say, party donations, gifts, or use of properties, isnt always declared ?

When it is, in lets say the Lord Alli case, it doesnt always come to light until scrutiny is applied, 

Also, why do you think Alli is a lord (1998)?
Favours for Blair of course.
Every side does it, but we just see the tip of the iceberg.

[old man]

4 hours ago, GrayA said:

You can see it how ever you want but corruption has a defined meaning & its not your version, in what way did Starmer act dishonestly and fraudulently? esp as he took these gifts whilst leader of the opposition

Starmer took gifts, declared them in the list of members interests, thats how we all got to hear about them.

What political favours did Starmer give anyone? 

Like i said, its the rules that are wrong.

Btw, i don't agree with any politician taking any gifts whatsoever but if they are allowed too, then they should be taxed, any of us taking these amounts in gifts would have to declare them to HMRC.

Sadly have to agree about the corruption point. It still irks though.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And now three Labour Councilors have resigned following this absurd episode on WhatsApp.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9w50dx89w0o

[armsid]

could this trigger by elections