pavman Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I will keep it brief Antis are disrupting our shooting and committing aggravated trespass, local plod will not even attend, they come onto private land and shine lights in your face and shout via a loud hailer Aggravated Trespass The offence of aggravated trespass is committed when a person: • trespasses on land; • when a lawful activity is taking place on that land or land nearby; • and he or she does anything intending to intimidate, obstruct or disrupt that activity. The offence, under section 68 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 , goes hand-in-hand with powers to prevent protesters joining an aggravated trespass. The powers are similar to the exclusion zone powers for trespassory assemblies. Once protesters are within a five-mile radius exclusion zone they can be turned back, and can be arrested and charged with an offence if they refuse to comply. The offences carry imprisonment of up to three months or a fine of up to £2,500. Has anyone any ideas how we can stop legally and reasonably stop them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 If you are in the BASC they could help or if Basc Dave has his bat ears on he may hear your cries for help. It is a pain and as I have said in a previous post, Pirate had some probs about a complaint but the FEO sorted it for him. Speak to your FEO instead of the local plod it might be better. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I always thought that Plod HAD to attend if firearms were involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Only works if the firearms are a threat I believe and really you don't want to go down that route. My first port of call would be our local Rural officer who is pretty approachable and it gives him a chance to take his 4x4 off road I'd see if you have one as they generally are slightly more clued up than the average plod. I'd guess if you can get the right raport going that he should turn up and give out a few threats of arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Well it was me and pavman junior who were affected again yesterday....... I gotta say one thing these anti's are persistant, for over three hours we were plagued by him. He moved position three times to dazzle us with his mirror, loud haler (with football songs, and a mix of go home you are murderous) and flashlight. He was looking for me along the river bank finally, the only thing that alerted him to my position was a gunshot and a 40 yard mallard hitting the ice on the splash with a big thump......... But all is not lost, I have commissioned Lord chief justice Pavman to sort things out, and I already see progress is being made. Rest assured I will be placing a top prize on the raffle table at the committee meet tonite, and you will be drinking half a brown and mild on me. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I would suggest either the Landowner, or (if its a Wildfowling Club) your Chairman/Secretary contact the Police and advise them of the continuing nuisance. If you have any details about the offender, name, vehicle type, registration number etc., tell them that as well. Insist that your complaint is noted and tell them that you will inform them everytime it happens. If you telephone the police when its happening, be sure they will be too busy to attend, as it would be a low priority, but if they are forewarned, they usually act. You could also consider a private prosecution, if you can find out who the offender is. The police would be interested to know that you are considering that course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 The police would be interested to know that you are considering that course of action. Can you elaborate on that bit Cranfield? Is it because it may demonstrate their inaction or is it some other reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 The police would be interested to know that you are considering that course of action. Can you elaborate on that bit Cranfield? Is it because it may demonstrate their inaction or is it some other reason? When a Farmer friend had a dog walking/ trespass/ livestock problem, he advised the police. They were not exactly over excited, but he told them he would take out a private prosecution if he knew who it was. They attended and issued an verbal warning (this was before all the yellow card nonsense) they also gave him the persons name and address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Actually these problems have gone on for around 6 years now. The police are not interested, even got told by one wpc after reporting an incident 'Don't you think by going around shooting things you are upsetting people, as opposed to them upsetting you' So even the local force has anti's. People like Pavman, pav and myself who are members on here have suffered since the beginning with these people who are allowed to disrupt lawful activity and are shown absolutely no support from two counties police forces. I sincerley home no other members on here ever have to resist a prolonged attack like we do from these people- cos we have been through hell and high water to continue enjoying the sport all of us on this forum enjoy. Its principle now for people like me, heard it all before 'Just go somewhere else, You've got shooting all over the place what you worried about' Well I ain'nt backing down and thats a fact. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Well I ain'nt backing down and thats a fact. GOOD MAN I think it's an utter disgrace that the local police won't help you guys out, firearms owners are some of the most responsible people around as we have more to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Riiing,riiiiing......."Hello &%$^$$& control room, how can we help" "Yes, Hello, sorry I have to whisper but I am out lawfully shooting in accordance with laws and local guidelines and there is someone STALKING me, I can`t make out what they are saying but it is MENACING and I feel HARASSED. I don`t feel secure and as I have a legally held firearm and do not feel I want to antagonise this/these person/s can you please assist me." Truthful and to the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakker01 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 carry on regardless....if they get in the way, by accident.......there in the wrong place!! tresspass,noise polution,agrevation......threatening behaviour.... don't these constitute an ASBO, when persistant. come on, nice guys........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Guys Thanks for the PM,s and advise all well intended and appreciated,,,,, however I have been told by Norfolk police not to call 999 unless its a matter of life or death when I called again yesterday to once again seek clarification, the Antis are very well know by police and last year keyed my truck and police would still not attend due to "lack of resources" BASC are assisting and intend to put pressure on police to respond as anti is now going onto private land and is very well organised with radios etc, the difficulty is plod are just not concerned we have a problem being stopped shooting they only have resource to attend serious crime, so it looks like we will have to go it alone the private route and I wanted to know if anyone else has been there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Do you think a PW walk up on this land would be a good idea. Would they still give it large with say 40 guns with dogs marching about? Sometimes you have to feel for the police, but if there was an accident they would be on you like a tonne of bricks Life just aint fair Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Do you think a PW walk up on this land would be a good idea. Would they still give it large with say 40 guns with dogs marching about? Sometimes you have to feel for the police, but if there was an accident they would be on you like a tonne of bricks Life just aint fair Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Do you think a PW walk up on this land would be a good idea. Would they still give it large with say 40 guns with dogs marching about? Life just aint fair Tony Sadly they dont care they sab all hunts, shoots no matter how big or small in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I know you won't try anything directly, or overtly agressive, as this will put you straight in the wrong and I can guarantee that the police will then start to take an interest, but in you. It seems what you are doing at the moment is the right thing and hopefully it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I don't see an easy (sensible) solution to this, these will be the sort of people who know how far they can take things. They will also know that you are unable to react effectively without bringing problems on yourself, after all you are armed and when faced with a problem, able to walk away from it (as frustrating as this is!). In most instances the act of trespass is not an arrestable offence on it's own, thus the police usually have their hands tied and there is not a great deal they can do other than keep the peace. You could try and obtain a court injunction against those causing regular problems. For this you would need evidence (detailed records of their visits and activities plus any video evidence would assist, along with police records of calls made to them etc), details of the individuals concerned and be able to convince the court this action is justified. Then of course there's the cost involved in obtaining one! Well done by not overreacting - and for not giving in to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Play them at thier own game boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie 1 Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Can you not video them doing these things, then you have evidence if you ever need it, the more you get the better your case what ever you decide to do. you shouldn't give up, all the time your not breaking the law who the hell are they to stop you doing it. its a tough one. hope the outcome is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Sorry to hear your troubles, taking it calmly as those above advise seems the best option. Using a video against them is sound advice as long as they realise you are in their face filming every move. It will stand you in good stead to document any detail however trivial ( names, times, number plates ). You are acting within the confines of the law, I admire your resolve and the fact you will not bow to loutish behaviour. If it were me, I dont have your patience and would bring some RCA chaps along on a non shooting day, good for the goose and all that ! Hope you get it resolved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleabag Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 I will keep it brief Antis are disrupting our shooting and committing aggravated trespass, local plod will not even attend, they come onto private land and shine lights in your face and shout via a loud hailer Aggravated Trespass The offence of aggravated trespass is committed when a person: • trespasses on land; • when a lawful activity is taking place on that land or land nearby; • and he or she does anything intending to intimidate, obstruct or disrupt that activity. The offence, under section 68 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 , goes hand-in-hand with powers to prevent protesters joining an aggravated trespass. The powers are similar to the exclusion zone powers for trespassory assemblies. Once protesters are within a five-mile radius exclusion zone they can be turned back, and can be arrested and charged with an offence if they refuse to comply. The offences carry imprisonment of up to three months or a fine of up to £2,500. Has anyone any ideas how we can stop legally and reasonably stop them? horseshoe hoof bait sounds good mate, cover yourself in it and run amonst them hugging them all and thanking them for coming along,for your experiment. to see how stinky the stuff is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I would reinforce other advice regarding the use of video evidence. In a court of law (if it comes to this) you have to show uncontroversial facts, and in this instance videos complete with date, time etc is the obvious route to go down. Tell the offender (politely, and calmly!!!) why you are doing this, and that you intend to take out a private prosecution and that it is your intention to ask for full costs of the action. I know that you cannot reason with the unreasonable, but full documented facts have to be the starting point. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I would reinforce other advice regarding the use of video evidence. In a court of law (if it comes to this) you have to show uncontroversial facts, and in this instance videos complete with date, time etc is the obvious route to go down. Tell the offender (politely, and calmly!!!) why you are doing this, and that you intend to take out a private prosecution and that it is your intention to ask for full costs of the action. I know that you cannot reason with the unreasonable, but full documented facts have to be the starting point. Don Guys its very frustrating as we have been told video footage is not admissible as evidence in court as it can be changed or enhanced, which seems to contradict all you see on crime watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I would still video them and their vehicles, it might make them think a bit and the Police should be interested in seeing it. It does surprise me that you have been advised its inadmissible in Court , I was under the impression that as long as a date and time was shown it was OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.