jay222 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 is 00 buck the same shot size as sg? bought some the other day as my local shop was out of bb's and decided to open one up to have a look at the size of the shot and they are enormous to say the least. Also it doesnt say what chamber pressure the gun needs to be proofed too so does anyone know? they are remington 42g 00 buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yes, I believe 00-buck equates to SG, i.e. .30" pellet diameter. It's pretty useless stuff above 20 yards. The pellet size won't affect chamber pressure: a 3" cartridge will sit fine in a standard 3" chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay222 Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 thanks for the reply its a 2 3/4" cartridge by the way, i dont see too many 20 yd foxes so i cant see them being used up any time soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 The only use for 00 buck I can think of is to teach a lesson to someone trying to steal your car. Any target smaller than that could well slip through the pattern unless it's really close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 I recall Mungler writing on here several years ago that people mainly seemed to use SG loads for shooting trees and wheel barrows, just out of curiosity, having realised that the stuff is useless for much else. The late Peter Capstick used to use SG loads when following up wounded leopards. Not too many of them about in North Wales though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay222 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 no i think you may well be right about the wounded leopards there seems to be a shortage of them in north wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 00 buck is used in the states for a few things. Some old timers use it for close in deer where shotguns are your only choice to hunt with. Choked and patterned correctly, it is an effective tool for deer out to 40-50 yards. Some guys use it for called coyotes and fox also in close in areas or at night. Again, pattern the gun and you have a 50 yard range on it. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 no i think you may well be right about the wounded leopards there seems to be a shortage of them in north wales Just goes to show how well it works, then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Pointless for fox. BB will do as good a job close in and if he runs farther out the spread is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 00 buck is used in the states for a few things. Some old timers use it for close in deer where shotguns are your only choice to hunt with. Choked and patterned correctly, it is an effective tool for deer out to 40-50 yards. Some guys use it for called coyotes and fox also in close in areas or at night. Again, pattern the gun and you have a 50 yard range on it. Thanks, Rick I'm sorry but no way is it a 50yd deer load. It is just plain irresponsible to suggest such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 charlie, It is actually used and effective. The key is getting a tight pattern. A half a dozen or more pellets of 00 buck through the vitals of a whitetail at 50 yards is a killing load. You have to make sure that you are getting enough pellets there though. It isn't the most effective load that one can choose, but it has its times. There are some states and some counties within other states that specify no rifles for deer. In those places you're allowed bows, muzzle loaders, and shotguns (with slugs or shot). Buckshot has been doing the job for a long while before slugs and front loaders became popular. Personally I'd take a bow before I'd shoot buckshot or slugs but that's just my preference. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Rick You surprise me that chokes can be regulated to through a tight enough pattern at 50yds, however I bow to knowledge as you obviously know what you are talking about. Presumably a shotgun so regulated would be only used for this purpose as it would be a little tight for say walked up pheasants. I use slugs for deer and have some experience using shot but have always considered shot to be only effective at close range, we live and learn. My apologies for doubting you. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 The only time I've used it has been on Muntjacks when they were causing a serious nuisance and the best advice is be careful. The power behind them is unbelievable, they kill muntjacks better than 6's kill rabbits. They do ricochet though if you hit a surface like a tree. I'm not sure if i'd have a use for them now other than Wild Boar or in cases when legal deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Rick You surprise me that chokes can be regulated to through a tight enough pattern at 50yds, however I bow to knowledge as you obviously know what you are talking about. Presumably a shotgun so regulated would be only used for this purpose as it would be a little tight for say walked up pheasants. I use slugs for deer and have some experience using shot but have always considered shot to be only effective at close range, we live and learn. My apologies for doubting you. Charlie Charlie, It isn't so much tightly choking it though as it is finding the right combination of choke and load. Too tight and you blow the pattern. Too loose you you start from the wrong foot also. My O/U (that I traded over here) shot 3" #4 buck the best as a coyote load with a factory modified choke. I think it was a buffered load. Two dozen pellets in the kill zone of a coyote were pretty much guaranteed at 40 yards. That was with good enough for what I was doing. With 00 buck and that choke you could guarantee a couple, but for coyotes I didn't need them that big and I preferred more pellets (same load would be great for fox here). If you want to go specialized you can get special extended chokes with longer forcing cones, straight exit bores, and specialized diameters to really tune a pattern. Some guys are having good luck with the heavy shot coyote loads out to 60+ yards with special chokes, but again that's coyotes not deer. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 A chap i know regularly shoots fox to 30 yards with 30g SG ( i think theres only 5 pellets per cart) and puts them through 1/2 and 3/4 he told me it pattens well enough that a second shot is rarely needed as the fox usually has 2-3 pelltes in it that on contact with the engine room do a better job than his .22 ! And the box states " safe to use in full choked guns". Only repeating what iv been told, but i have seen one of these carts cut open and boy the shot is big i would imagine that just one of these pellets would do a better job than a .22 if it hit the right spot . I will have to get a big card box or something and borrow a couple of these and see what the pattern is like at 25 & 30 yards ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 sounds like a plan i have a big cardboard box sitting behind me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 make sure you have a backstop. The pellets are huge and retain plenty of energy so i can imaging the fox shooter being right it would only take 1 or 2 to the boiler room to do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I think the clue is in the name ,"buck shot" .I can assure you that buck shot is used in many states in america for deer hunting along with slugs . If my memory serves me correctly the shot is 9 millimetre and the cartridge contains 9 shot ,a formidable load at close range . Its also used by law enforcement throught the world . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I have some SG`s and will pattern them on a fox size target soon and publish the results. The last time I tried it I decided never to use them for fox. Back to the original question, yes it is the same size as SG (.33") and will be ok to use in a normal game gun, except for one thing, they do have a kick. Also 4 Buck (.24") that was mentioned for `yotes is between AAA (.2") & SSG (.270"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 oo is a devastating cartridge. They will kill easily at 100yards. Law enforcement use them due to the fact that you can take multiple targets out to good range by firing 2 or 3 shots fast. By doing this it puts a lot of heavy lead down range fast. If I get the time i will scan the pages from the shotgun police law enforcement book. You will all be very surprised at how accurate and underrated these rounds are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 That would be fantastic auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Townie Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 This is interesting. It's about what the Yanks call '00 buck' and how it patterns. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot42.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 oo is a devastating cartridge. They will kill easily at 100yards................You will all be very surprised at how accurate and underrated these rounds are. This is interesting. It's about what the Yanks call '00 buck' and how it patterns. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot42.htm Not knocking either, but I know which I would use for a "spray and pray" situation and which I would use for sporting/vermin control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 It is against the law in the U.K. to shoot deer whith any shot other than A.A.A. and this must onlybe used in a 12 bore for the purpose of crop protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 00 buck has wounded more deer in Canada and the USA than any other round. I am sure there are a few guns that will accept it and pattern it well for yotes and foxs but in my opinion it is horrible stuff and by no means should be used outside of 25 yards. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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