hogey Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) Hi I always text my farmer to ask if it is ok at that time to shoot and I specify rifle or shotgun or both.I have this on my phone and his reply is also on my phone.I never go on the land without letting him know I am there. I have it in writting permission to use the .22 but not the HMR even though when I applied for HMR variation I used the same permission letter as the .22 and did'nt have a bother. I feel happy the way I have the arrangement Hogey Edited December 19, 2008 by hogey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 HiI always text my farmer to ask if it is ok at that time to shoot and I specify rifle or shotgun or both.I have this on my phone and his reply is also on my phone.I never go on the lad without letting him know I am there.I have it in writting permission to use the .22 but not the HMR even though when I applied for HMR variation I used the same permission letter as the .22 and did'nt have a bother. I feel happy the way I have the arrangement Hogey please tell me thats a typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogey Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Thank you.I have edited my post Hogey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchangun Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 I have all my permisions in writing and Iget the farmer /landowner to confirm on an os map which is and is not their land , I then make this up on a digital version print it out and keep it with the land permision . I all ways carry my permisions with me ( usually left in the car) . This attention to detail has paid off on a number of accasions with the police and do gooder dog walkers who think they have the RIGHT to be on the land you shoot and you do not - or the tree huggers who think the crow and pidgeon are protected species - for this I also carry coppies of the general licences. This approach also helps to get more shooting permision when you visit farms that surround the land that you shoot on as the farmers find this methodical approach very reasuring and it demonstrates that you take the legalities seriously. For years I shot on land with word of mouth permision only to find out on the death of the farmer that it was some one elses land! - and even though a vebal contrat is legal is Scotts Law I 'm not sure I would have had a leg to stand on it there was a problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 I have all my permisions in writing and Iget the farmer /landowner to confirm on an os map which is and is not their land , I then make this up on a digital version print it out and keep it with the land permision . I all ways carry my permisions with me ( usually left in the car) . This attention to detail has paid off on a number of accasions with the police and do gooder dog walkers who think they have the RIGHT to be on the land you shoot and you do not - or the tree huggers who think the crow and pidgeon are protected species - for this I also carry coppies of the general licences. This approach also helps to get more shooting permision when you visit farms that surround the land that you shoot on as the farmers find this methodical approach very reasuring and it demonstrates that you take the legalities seriously. For years I shot on land with word of mouth permision only to find out on the death of the farmer that it was some one elses land! - and even though a vebal contrat is legal is Scotts Law I 'm not sure I would have had a leg to stand on it there was a problem! Top man, its a spot on approach and one I follow to the letter, for any young shots looking to get a new permission and keep it long term its the only way forward, and should you bump into another gun on the permission (as farmers who dont give it are apt to let others shoot the same as you) you can prove in an instant what you are about..... I met 3 guns on my permission in the first year all said at some time (in the past) thay had a verbal ok from farmer to shoot pigeons and had just turned up again on speck without calling farmer, which in law could be deemed armed tresspass! I sent them all packing and was able to show them (my written permission) and enforce the changes made by farmer as he could never remember who he had said yes to in the past! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgunners Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) I have just read this post with mixed feelings on what is right (legally) and what is decided on by the individual as right. I have permission to shoot on numerous farms/manors and some of them were verbal and some of them were written. After recently applying for my Fac I sent in the written forms with my application and decided in the meantime to travel round to EVERY farm and get an up to date written confirmation from the farmers/landowners. As I had been advised by the Flo that this was good practice in the event of a possible future event/crisis and also they could update the calibre rating on KNOWN land on their system and also unknown land/acreage. I found that not many of the farmers/landowners knew the LEGALLY ALLOWED calibres of rifles on their land and also some of the RECORDED calibres were limited to the original shooters's application for the calibre he owned at the time. Example of a past shooter owning a .223 originally and the land really being suitable up to say a .243. (This for NON - OPEN TICKETS) There were a few comments about shooting with a friend, lamping at night and what quarry was allowed. These could all be DENIED by the farmer/owner when confronted with a "sticky" situation involving the Police. SO to cover your a**es; (and mine especially), I carry photo-copies of all my newly completed letters and maps in the vehicle just for that "ONE" event that might just happen. You know it makes sense. I have also worded my letters to protect me and the farmer concerned. 1. I pay for insurance. So any mate that wants to come out with me MUST have the same or it's a "No,Sorry" 2. I make sure that he is aware that he only goes on the land with me/my permission or the Farmer's. Just to stop him deciding to "pop out" one day/night presuming we won't mind. 3 The quarry allowed is filled in by the farmer/owner. All of these comments on this Thread, are your personal decisions to make. THESE ARE MINE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AUTHORITY TO SHOOT I (name)………………………… of (farm) ……………………………………… In my capacity as, Landowner, Tenant, Estate Manager, Game Keeper (delete) Address ………………………………………… ………………………………………… ………………………………………… ………………………………………… Postcode ………………………………………… Telephone No ………………………………. Mobile No ………………………… Acreage ………………… Land clearance (if known) Calibre………………... Authorise, Dave K***** and his nominated associates, to shoot and remove VERMIN / GAME (delete) as detailed above on my land as described. The boundaries for this activity will be confined to the area(s) defined by the Landowner using any legally owned and permitted Shotgun/Firearm. Relevant liability insurance MUST be obtained (B.A.S.C ) by all parties.. 1. Additional shooters are ONLY permitted when accompanied by the above named person or instructed by same. 2. Lamping is / is not permitted (delete) 3. This authority remains in force until terminated by myself or appointed agent. 4. This authority does/does not (delete) offer sole shooting rights to the land described above. PERMITTED QUARRY (DELETE AS APPROPRIATE) ALL TYPES OF VERMIN including Wood pigeon, Ferals etc Rabbit Fox ALL TYPES OF CORVIDS including Crows, Rooks, Jays and Magpies GAME (In Season) Pheasant Partridge Duck Geese Deer …... Muntjac .….. Roe ….. Fallow….. Signed ……………………………………….. Print …………………………………. Dated ………………………………………… ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And I was also advised that all of this could possibly help me acquire an early open ticket along with the large acreage. Dave K Edited December 30, 2008 by Topgunners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Must admit to have had a little chuckle at this thread, seems some live in a perfect world , some live in the real world, and before the holier than thou's pipe up! YES of course its best to have written permission but sometimes it ain't practicable ( and neither is it necessary) for instance on my primary land for my fac (open to .243) I simply put in the farmers phone number, and they gave him a ring,I don't have that on paper ( could do but have never bothered) and as an instance one of my best shoots the land owner wont give me a written slip he says that that makes him responsible for any accident etc regardless of my insurance but he has in the past phoned plod and informed him that I have permission to shoot his land, work that one out? now as far as being pulled when shooting I have been a couple of times the last time was quite funny helicopter the lot, two armed response bobbies and a local beat officer, the beat officer wanted the armed response lads to look at my gun etc the armed response lads said look he and his mate ( hawkeye off this forum) are in the middle of a farm you can see what they are doing (one officer promptly nicking a pigeon or two) they had responded to a lady trespasser who was walking a dog where she should not have been! at no time did they ask to see written permission nor did they contact the farmer, they simply bade us farewell and said good shooting,and the beat officer asked for a lift back to his car. so to sum yes it may be best but no it ain't necessary, if you know your farmer and know your land,you will have no problem however if your a chancer and don't have permission that's a different matter. cheers KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 In 50 years of shooting the only thing I have ever had in writing is authority from farms to shoot deer out of season. It may sound daft but in my world a mans word is his bond and it would not occur to me to ask for something in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Must admit to have had a little chuckle at this thread, seems some live in a perfect world , some live in the real world, and before the holier than thou's pipe up! YES of course its best to have written permission but sometimes it ain't practicable ( and neither is it necessary) for instance on my primary land for my fac (open to .243) I simply put in the farmers phone number, and they gave him a ring,I don't have that on paper ( could do but have never bothered) and as an instance one of my best shoots the land owner wont give me a written slip he says that that makes him responsible for any accident etc regardless of my insurance but he has in the past phoned plod and informed him that I have permission to shoot his land, work that one out? now as far as being pulled when shooting I have been a couple of times the last time was quite funny helicopter the lot, two armed response bobbies and a local beat officer, the beat officer wanted the armed response lads to look at my gun etc the armed response lads said look he and his mate ( hawkeye off this forum) are in the middle of a farm you can see what they are doing (one officer promptly nicking a pigeon or two) they had responded to a lady trespasser who was walking a dog where she should not have been! at no time did they ask to see written permission nor did they contact the farmer, they simply bade us farewell and said good shooting,and the beat officer asked for a lift back to his car. so to sum yes it may be best but no it ain't necessary, if you know your farmer and know your land,you will have no problem however if your a chancer and don't have permission that's a different matter. cheers KW It was quite funny in one sense the local plod came into the field the lads armed to the teeth stayed 1/2 a field away picking up the birds i had shot going overhead.. They were not even interested in checking our guns.. I spoke to the farmer a few days later he said he had seen the chopper hovering over but didn't realise it was for us... To cap it all they never even checked with him to see if we had permission or not.. :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Gonna test the water on this one.... How many have actual written shooting permission, do you have just verbal and if there is problem just call the farmer? simple answer yes for most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazkb Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 personally I wouldn't shoot without written permission, written words will stand up in a court case verbal means jack sh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 depends how good your farmers are.mine are great, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoobySpeedsterWRX Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Just purchased a .22 air rifle and am just starting out.wat do i need to do to stsy within the law.its under the 12 feet per pound thing.so do i require a liscence.sounds silly but id rather know than do anything illegal cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilstoat Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Just purchased a .22 air rifle and am just starting out.wat do i need to do to stsy within the law.its under the 12 feet per pound thing.so do i require a liscence.sounds silly but id rather know than do anything illegal cheers guys if it's sub 12ft no license is required just common sense and practice before you shoot at live quarry, get some insurance, and land owners written permission :blink: the practice required is usually being competent getting 1" - 2" groups at 30 yards at least consistantly, plus do some reading on pest species..and of coarse basic gun saftey & law Edited January 7, 2009 by evilstoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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