henry d Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 This a cocker spaniel and it is 22 months old, first season in the beating line and she has damaged her tail badly and has had to have it amputated. The cost was £140 but the real cost was the pain that she went through and still does as it isn`t fully healed yet and the dog also had to endure a full anaesthetic. **Edit** I have also sent this to BASC so they can use it to hopefully overturn/amend this stupid law ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEREALTHRILLER Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 looks nasty - one of our dogs injured her tail and it never really healed properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 thats the problem, if the tail is normal length they can injure them then constantly agravate it by wagging. Couple that with the injury possibly letting infection straight into the spinal chord and you have the reason the law is a load of bullocks and not in dogs best interests. Take it one step further and it was better when the owner could dock as then you could do the puppies at less than a day old when the bone hasn't hardened and the senses aren't properly developed, and without dragging pups with no immunity to the vets where they are most likely to pick something up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 This serves as a reminder to all Scottish shooters who come across similar situations to do as HD has done and get the evidence and pass it on to BASC / SGA etc. The organisations are still gathering evidence to present to the Wee Pretendy Parliament to try to overturn the (Scottish) total ban. Let's hope Alex Salmond delivers on his pre-election promise! I wonder if the vet who had to carry out the amputation is/was pro or anti-docking? In my opinion, any anti-docking vet should be made to carry out later amputations such as this free of charge. Docking at birth for working dog = £10 or so per dog? Amputation = £140 Hmm, vets aren't daft are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hi Bob, the vet is a pro-docking vet and the dog is fairly local to you, one of the shoots that old Ally Whitelaw, the beekeeper, goes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinea Fowl Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Just out of curiosity, why does this happen to cocker spaniels and not labs or does it happen to them too? The splitting of the tail in the field i mean. Edited January 23, 2009 by Guinea Fowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrol_head29 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 id rather see a dog have its tail docked befor it starts working than see it go through all that pain damaging it in the feild then having to have it amputated then it not healing properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 "Ouch" ZB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennyboy30 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 a springers tail is wagged continuously and thats where the damage occours a lab has a gentler tail motion so it escapes punishment kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guinea Fowl Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 a springers tail is wagged continuously and thats where the damage occours a lab has a gentler tail motion so it escapes punishment kenny Thanks kenny. I would not say our lab have a gentle tail motion, When our daughter was still small the lab use to knock her over with that tail, lol. But i know what you mean. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Another thing is that due to their size and disposition both cockers and springers will face thorns more than a lab will and their tails are like rotors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1Gunner Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 You have to feel for the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrol_head29 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 ive got a lab x springer and his tail is more mental than him lol like a whip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdunc Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) Spaniels spend most of their time in deep cover and tend to get a good wag on when they're on game scent. My docked dogs often have slightly bloody tips to their tails - I dread to think what they'd be like with full tails I remember some anti docking rubbish came out which reckoned more docked dogs had damaged tails than undocked but this was because they hadn't taken them as a respective percentage and there were probably only about 2 undocked dogs working at the time - absolute nonsense! Edited January 23, 2009 by gdunc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckfast d Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Jez's that tail looks bad,,, this happened to our dog and the only way we got it to heal after trying alot of "vet creams" was to use Baby Sudocream which is antiseptic healing cream * please note i am by no way a vet or can i give vetenary advice but sudo did work for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 a springers tail is wagged continuously and thats where the damage occours a lab has a gentler tail motion so it escapes punishment kenny good.gif cockers are likley to be used to flush hence more prone to damage labs are more for retreiving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Just to clarify this , the smaller cockers and springers run deep in cover , in and inder brambles, thorn bushes etc , and the labs, goldens and short hairs like mine will NOT even try to rnter this cover......................they can't , an undocked dog in deep cover is going to end up with an injury , ranging from a good scuffing to a complete peeling of the tail!!!! I have a very good friend who is a vet and a shooting man and have been informed by him. The docking and cutting of ears bans are OK but only for ornamental dogs , working dogs need to be docked before they have to suffer a very painfull operation to remove what is in effect the tail end of their spine!!THE QUESTION I PUT TO ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE OF YOUR SPINE REMOVED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Just to clarify this , the smaller cockers and springers run deep in cover , in and inder brambles, thorn bushes etc , and the labs, goldens and short hairs like mine will NOT even try to rnter this cover......................they can't , an undocked dog in deep cover is going to end up with an injury , ranging from a good scuffing to a complete peeling of the tail!!!!I have a very good friend who is a vet and a shooting man and have been informed by him. The docking and cutting of ears bans are OK but only for ornamental dogs , working dogs need to be docked before they have to suffer a very painfull operation to remove what is in effect the tail end of their spine!!THE QUESTION I PUT TO ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS WOULD YOU LIKE A LITTLE OF YOUR SPINE REMOVED? So its not a spine when you get it docked as a puppy? Ive seen a springer go through light cover not even much bramble in there and when he came out the end of his undocked tail was bleeding. Vets would rather see a dog in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 H May I suggest that you send copies of the photos to your SMP and RSPCA. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Thanks kenny. I would not say our lab have a gentle tail motion, When our daughter was still small the lab use to knock her over with that tail, lol. But i know what you mean. Regards By no means is that gospel Guinea Fowl. My lab bleeds like a cut pig after every session on the pigeons. Sits in the hide wagging it like a cocker and then sprays claret around the house when we get home Doesn't seem to cause him any distress but the rottie is sick of having to wash the tideline that he makes 2' of the floor. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltsmark Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 This a cocker spaniel and it is 22 months old, first season in the beating line and she has damaged her tail badly and has had to have it amputated. The cost was £140 but the real cost was the pain that she went through and still does as it isn`t fully healed yet and the dog also had to endure a full anaesthetic. **Edit** I have also sent this to BASC so they can use it to hopefully overturn/amend this stupid law ! Well done for posting this thread,hope BASC use the pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Dog Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 This is an absolute nonsense law made by people who don't understand or research properly the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan222 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hi all I have a patt x jack she as a full curley tail and does not bother her in any way. when people see her they often say, I wondered whot theyed look like with a full tail; and seem to like the full version, so my oppenion seems to be that docking is not needed in the terrier breeds. thanks, Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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