Oceanwave408 Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) How much lead should i give before pulling the trigger whilst pigeon shooting with a 12G using No. 6 Edited February 6, 2009 by Oceanwave408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 million dollar question mate get down the clay range practise and maybe a lesson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 lead distance will vary due to distance and speed of target mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 1.96metres, fact Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 1.96metres, fact Cat. Now if we could just get pigeon to hold a 2 metre ruler in his beak...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Do you think there is a set amount of lead to give a bird, or do you think the speed it's travelling at might alter this distance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 if you really focus on the pigeon you will notice the red (sometimes green) ring on the left leg of it the lead required is usually written on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 I want to ask how much 'leed' people give this guy before they go shooting with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 fully agree with you sonic you cant start as colt and be come a stallion overnight practice becomes perfect not counting all the misses if we got a pound for everytime we missed we would all be well of cheers dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinksford Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 This person is a new member so give him a break. Did you two come out of your pram drinking milk and shooting pigeon.......... NO. You learnt from somone, whether it was on this site or someone you know. I get ******* off looking at the replies to some genuine posts on this site where people new to shooting are asking for help and people take the **** out of them. Y don't all you fantastic shots go meet up in a field somewhere and talk about how good YOU are............ No, because in reality you aren't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you were that good a shot and not a "has been as some people are", you wouldn't even bother with this site because you would know it all and not need any help or advice form anyone!!!!!!!!!! Sonic you are spot on mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 right time to stop messing about. i dont know if this will help much, but i did it when i had trouble with lead and it helped me. work out what the speed of your shot is in kilometres per hour, then metres per second. then work out how fast some of the game species can travel, i think pigeons are around 50 kmh (cant remember, look it up on the net as i think its higher, cant remember where i saw if but it gave a few speeds); you can do this in feet/miles too but metres is easier for me so, say your shot travels at 400metres per second, and the pigeon travels at almost 14 metres per second if you are standing 40 metres from the pigeon, the shot will take 0.1 second to reach 40 metres away; in 0.1 seconds the pigeon can fly 1.4 metres approximately, therefore aim 1.4m in front of it IN THE DIRECTION ITS GOING! now, work out a table for crows, pigeons, etc, moving slow and moving fast. by looking at the table you can work out how much lead you need. before i start getting ****, im not advising anyone to start carrying calculators and graph paper around with them. all this does is give you an idea of how much lead you will need; its up to you to learn to recognise speeds and ranges of targets, then it will come naturally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 This is something i always found hard to get my head around, Give it 2ft, give it 4ft....what the hell are you talking about, i use to think to myself...... So my tip to you would be the most important part is to keep the gun swinging after you have pulled the trigger I raise the gun so its on the Bird (Clay o Live Quarry) as i push pass the bid say at the head, i pull the trigger but then push the gun through, so i am out in front of the bird....... I think Clays and PIgeons fly at the same speed, so if you can hit clays you should be fine on Pigeons Crows are slower, so i dont push out in font so far Have you done any clay shooting yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I think Clays and PIgeons fly at the same speed What.... They can either be very slow, or appear to be turbo charged or something. Depends on how far the spring has been wound up on the trap. Seriously, that statement couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Ah, But what if the pigeon was tired? or was being chased by a hawk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I thought top speed of a clay and pigeon was 50MPH...hay but could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 The problem with specifying a lead, is that everyone sees the distance slightly differently. For me most pigeon buy it at about 2ft, but sometimes it is necessary to change. Its better to be able to shoot pigeon almost instinctively, as they wont hang around whilst you shoot them. Maybe a good session at a decent sporting clay ground would hammer home what I am trying to explain. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubix Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 This might get you going in the right direction: http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/for...read.php?t=1034 Its not for pigeon, but they go a bit quicker, there's other stuff on the web if you search for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chop Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 BIRD - bum belly beak BANG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I agree - there is no definite answer to this question as birds come from all angles and at different speeds. Practising on the clay ground is the only answer, and a few rounds of skeet is a great starting point. £5 - £6 a round will give you a wide variety of shots at different angles, crossing left to right, and right to left, going away and coming straight at you. You can't go wrong with skeet, and if you can reach 17-plus each round you're well on your way to getting the basics right. Leave the high tower clays for another time - they will screw your head up - get down the skeet range and persuade the trapper to let you have singles instead of pairs to begin with and see how you get on with it Here's a basic guide to lead for skeet. If you jot it down and take it with you it will help enormously... Peg 1 High house - No lead Low house - 6in-1ft lead Peg 2 High house - 6in lead Low house - 1.5ft lead Peg 3 High house - 3.5ft lead Low house - 3ft lead Peg 4 High house - 3.5ft lead Low house - 3.5ft lead Peg 5 High house - 3ft lead Low house - 3.5ft lead Peg 6 High house - 1ft lead Low house - 6in lead Peg 7 High house - 6in lead Low house - no lead If they allow you to shoot peg 8 (in the middle) just blot the clays out and smash 'em! Give it a try mate - a few weekends shooting skeet put me right, that's for sure. :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanwave408 Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Thanks everyone. I managed to hit 3 today. I have done a fair amount of rifle shooting but it has been over a year since i have used my shotgun :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Nice one! Onwards and upwards... :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Don't matter how many you get as you as you have fun and stay safe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Theres a brilliant way of estimating lead with your arm and fingers to give you a visual. With your fore-end arm at full stretch, raise your hand and drop the middle two fingers leaving the little finger and index finger raised. This is a good estimation of the sight picture - target on one finger, gun aim on the other - that you will need. Close your fingers in a bit if its a close target 20yds, and maybe spread them a bit if its out over 40 yds to allow for diminishing velocity of the shotload If the targets running on an angle, turn your hand to the angle of flight, this closes the observed lead gap on the fingers and the triangulation remains correct with the actual lead being greater than the observed lead. This works remarkably well for high tower targets, and I'm sure will apply itself well to pigeons and game birds too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanwave408 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thanks, i will try that. Yesterday i had 3 pigeons but today nothing as i think i may have been giving to much lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanwave408 Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 right time to stop messing about. i dont know if this will help much, but i did it when i had trouble with lead and it helped me. work out what the speed of your shot is in kilometres per hour, then metres per second. then work out how fast some of the game species can travel, i think pigeons are around 50 kmh (cant remember, look it up on the net as i think its higher, cant remember where i saw if but it gave a few speeds); you can do this in feet/miles too but metres is easier for me so, say your shot travels at 400metres per second, and the pigeon travels at almost 14 metres per second if you are standing 40 metres from the pigeon, the shot will take 0.1 second to reach 40 metres away; in 0.1 seconds the pigeon can fly 1.4 metres approximately, therefore aim 1.4m in front of it IN THE DIRECTION ITS GOING! now, work out a table for crows, pigeons, etc, moving slow and moving fast. by looking at the table you can work out how much lead you need. before i start getting ****, im not advising anyone to start carrying calculators and graph paper around with them. all this does is give you an idea of how much lead you will need; its up to you to learn to recognise speeds and ranges of targets, then it will come naturally Thanks. This is of help too. A few days at the clays would make a difference, I hope :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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