BIG BRUSH WITH THE LAW WHILST SHOOTING TODAY

[monkeymagic1969]

 

It is not a legal requirement to have written permission - you only need to have verbal permission

[Evil Elvis]

frenchieboy i can understand how frustrating that must have been, well handled.

 

Thanks Raja, you understand more than most the intracacies of this case. We also came across a 2 men in the woods acting very strangley and looked very sheepish as we walked past them, the dogs are becoming a joke too, there was another fox ripped to shreds on the tracks through the beans too.

 

I have never felt the need to be all papered up, but i was shooting with proracks john on tuesday night and he has thousands of acres now and has written permission from all of them and a laminated copy of his licence same as you. The difference is we cover all his land in a landy, we cover the permission in question on foot and its jsut extra **** to carry but i will be from now on.

 

If i had a farm closer with such a diverse shooting experience Id leave the syndicate but until then were stuck i spose!!!

 

John Hopes was suprised that there were met officers present so what you said also clarified that!!!

Edited August 7, 2009 by Evil Elvis

[Billy.]

EE, it's a sad fact of life that you'll have the coppers all over you when you're shooting, but when you next turn up on your patch and see a load of ****** coursing/shooting on the land, the police say there's nothing they can do when you call them.

 

You did the best you could. I think I would have gone mental if I'd have been treated that way.

[Imperfection]

when you next turn up on your patch and see a load of ****** coursing/shooting on the land, the police say there's nothing they can do when you call them.

 

 

Im pretty sure that if the Police receive more than 3 calls-they're obliged to follow it up.Might be an idea to get everyone else in your syndicate who's with you at the time to phone them to bump up the incident call log.

[markbivvy]

nothings changed then.

same **** west yorkshire stile.

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...ic=5861&hl=

[Evil Elvis]

Its not funny is it?

[bionicle]

I wished I’d been with you; might have saved you a walk down that hill, I always carry my warrant card.....

 

we didn’t get a visit the week before shooting in the same spot...I’ve lost count the number of times I’ve shot in that location even on a school day when the play ground is full of kids, never had an issue..

 

must be you Baz, you have one of those faces

[Justintime]

all i can say is you have been lucky not so for some Thats why i have joined SACS not for the price but the £100,000 legal cover,

How would you have payed to fight a revoke ? have you got a £1000 per hour to throw at a barrister?

I know i havent .

And it looks like more and more of this ANTI faulse reporting is going on, :yp:

So wise up fellas get cover before you get lifted

Edited August 7, 2009 by Justintime

[Marley29]

I sincerely hope you are more sensible than your posts suggests,

 

You sound about 10 with your " I would love to see the look on the police officers face" why on earth should you get questioned when driving to the clay ground? I have transported guns all over the country and normally have a gun in my car most days but I have never been stopped. (well not for carrying guns anyway)

 

My certificate is always with me as it would save all this aggro. The situation would have been diffused straight away if Baz had his certificate and permission on him. This is what pockets are for.

 

You carry enough gear when pigeon shooting, your documents are hardly likely to cause an inconvenience.

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Couldn't agree more with this comment. I carry my certificate with me when I'm shooting to save any hasle if I get stopped. This is VERY unlikely unless you are actually doing something wrong.

 

This could have been avoided

[Evil Elvis]

So wise up fellas get cover before you get lifted

 

How do you know i havent?

 

I JUST SPENT AN HOUR SEARCHING FOR MY SHOTGUN CERT................GUESS WHERE IT WAS.............IN THE CAR!!!!!!!

 

I HAD OBVIOUSLY PUT IT BACK IN THERE AFTER THE INTERVIEW. pROBABLY WOULDNT HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE AS THEY DIDNT WANT TO WALK THE 300 ACRES TO THE CAR.

 

must be you Baz, you have one of those faces

 

WITH FRIENDS LIKE YOU......YADA YADA YADA.............

[spider72]

Isn't it about time they made a credit card sized licence? The fishing licence is, the driving licence is, BASC membership and insurance is. I always carry my licences if i am in possession of any of my firearms, just to be on the safe side. A laminated copy sounds like a good idea though if only for reference.

[Cranfield]

I always carry my SGC and any written permissions I have with me in a little wallet, that also contains my FO's telephone number.

In the many years I have been shooting I have never been approached by the Police in the field.

 

From your posts that sounds like a piece of land to avoid.

Just reading this thread it seems a lot of other people are shooting there and also dogs and ripped up foxes are mentioned.

It makes you wonder what the locals are having to put up with.

 

I don't think statements like this are high on the list of, "How gain friends and influence people".

 

"I popped over there last week to walk off the effects of the injections from a couple of fillings (my dentist is situated just the over side of the main road up from the station). Happened to have the Urika with me and emptied it close by where you were, nearer the houses by the stream than the nursery though.

 

Heard a few police sirens shortly afterwards and assumed one of them was for me, none about as I crossed the stream but there were quite a few adults and kids about; most of whom with shocked faces. I just wished them all good day and carried on walking back to the motor."

 

Sometimes we don't do ourselves any favours.

[Guest]

Yeah then again if you have to grovel and apologise to people because you are undertaking a pefectly natural an lawful activity of hunting, then what does this say about the country that you live in?

[Ozzy Fudd]

Heard a few police sirens shortly afterwards and assumed one of them was for me, none about as I crossed the stream but there were quite a few adults and kids about; most of whom with shocked faces. I just wished them all good day and carried on walking back to the motor."

 

Sometimes we don't do ourselves any favours.

 

true to a certain extent; i wouldnt start gutting rabbits, etc, in front of people, i try to keep out of sight and try not to shoot too close to where someone might be scared by a shot; but then again i have no qualms about shooting near populated areas (apart from the usual shooting too early/late near houses, i know i wouldnt like it happening to me). and its not the first time ive had a phone call from my mates in the local pub asking if the "thunder" they just heard was me shooting up on the hill over looking the town...

[Cranfield]

Yeah then again if you have to grovel and apologise to people because you are undertaking a pefectly natural an lawful activity of hunting, then what does this say about the country that you live in?

 

I have never had to "grovel and apologise to people" about anything and that includes my hobbies and interests.

However, I do acknowledge that I have certain responsibilities as a citizen and don't go out of my way to upset people.

 

I don't have any problems with the country I live in, if I had, I wouldn't live here.

[Guest]

That is good. Just the way that you came across it sounded that you had to be ashamed that you were a hunter and that you were in the shooting sports. I know there might be a lot of antis out there and that soemtiems public opinion is against us, but we have to stick our head up high and be proud of our sport.

[hawkeye]

since when has it been mandatory to have written permission, its NOT a legal requirement at all 90% of the farms I shoot on

and there's more than a few! I only have the farmers nod and telephone number

 

cheers KW

 

 

Got to agree with KW i have shooting on over 30+ farms and 3 golf courses and KW shoots a lot of them with me, Plus one clay ground and the only place i have written permision for is the clay ground scaffman 73 and myself shoot...

All my other places i just have a book in the motor with every ones names and contact numbers...

[Ean76]

I guess if someone had with them an extremely recently purchased shotty or firearm that WAS stated on their certificate, this may not show up on PNC until perhaps up to 7 days as we notify them in writing (snail mail) and this may take a while to hit the PNC.

 

If someone did have a newly acquired weapon with them, it is on their certificate but they don't have the certificate with them and they/their gun were stop-checked there could be an awkward situation..........

 

Certainly not backing the old bill but in certain situations it may be helpful to have your cert wiv ya.

[Dirty Harry]

Hello people,

 

Not wanting to join the right or wrong debate just want to say that the PNC will only give your name, address and dob and that you have a SGC or FAC. It does not hold details of the guns you hold.

Police do not have to be firearms officers to be able to take or seize your guns. They can seize guns they believe may have been used in an offence and my FEO says I do not have to carry my cert with me.

If you have no id at all with you you could be arrested until such point as they confirm your identity.

They do not have to send firearns officers to deal with an incident like this.

 

Would people stop posting a load of ******** about police do's and dont's unless they know what they are on about.

 

On a personal note as a FAC and SGC holder and ex Police firearms officer I do know what I am on about but dont assume that all police know every law on the statute books as that would be impossible.

Yes I would have dealt with the incident in a different way but thats just me.

 

Harry

[Nial]

Not wanting to join the right or wrong debate just want to say that the PNC will only give your name, address and dob and that you have a SGC or FAC.

 

It does not hold details of the guns you hold.

 

 

Aye, and as you're allowed to borrow a gun for 72 hours they couldn't possibly have an up to date record

of what you can legally have with you anyway.

 

 

Nial.

[starlight32]

I always carry my SGC and any written permissions I have with me in a little wallet, that also contains my FO's telephone number.

In the many years I have been shooting I have never been approached by the Police in the field.

 

From your posts that sounds like a piece of land to avoid.

Just reading this thread it seems a lot of other people are shooting there and also dogs and ripped up foxes are mentioned.

It makes you wonder what the locals are having to put up with.

 

I don't think statements like this are high on the list of, "How gain friends and influence people".

 

"I popped over there last week to walk off the effects of the injections from a couple of fillings (my dentist is situated just the over side of the main road up from the station). Happened to have the Urika with me and emptied it close by where you were, nearer the houses by the stream than the nursery though.

 

Heard a few police sirens shortly afterwards and assumed one of them was for me, none about as I crossed the stream but there were quite a few adults and kids about; most of whom with shocked faces. I just wished them all good day and carried on walking back to the motor."

 

Sometimes we don't do ourselves any favours.

 

 

Have to say that piece of ground sounds a little too over populated with shooters to me. I have learnt long ago to avoid contact with the general public if at all possible when shooting.

[Evil Elvis]

Thats just it....its not over populated, i only shoot it monday to friday and i rarely come across other shooters,

 

We also take the school and nursery into consideration, I never shoot less than 500 yards from them both. at the base of the hill is also a row of houses, we give them the same courtesy and dont ever fire in thier direction from anywhere on the property.

 

There are 500 acres there, i pay to shoot it, I usually shoot the other 250 on the other side of the railway but there are a lot of pigeons there at the moment.

 

I have to drive 45 minutes to get there, if i had anything half as decent nearer to home id drop that shoot like a brick but i havent.

 

Yes there are ripped up foxes..........****** coursing.........not my fault....police not interested.

 

Poachers

 

Young couples ******** same sex pair last thursday when this happenned.....blokes eeeuuuggghhh

 

**** heads on scrambers

 

Dogs by the dozen even though they have no right to be on the land!!!

 

Why should I let these people ruin my sport for me?

[starlight32]

Thats just it....its not over populated, i only shoot it monday to friday and i rarely come across other shooters,

 

We also take the school and nursery into consideration, I never shoot less than 500 yards from them both. at the base of the hill is also a row of houses, we give them the same courtesy and dont ever fire in thier direction from anywhere on the property.

 

There are 500 acres there, i pay to shoot it, I usually shoot the other 250 on the other side of the railway but there are a lot of pigeons there at the moment.

 

I have to drive 45 minutes to get there, if i had anything half as decent nearer to home id drop that shoot like a brick but i havent.

 

Yes there are ripped up foxes..........****** coursing.........not my fault....police not interested.

 

Poachers

 

Young couples ******** same sex pair last thursday when this happenned.....blokes eeeuuuggghhh

 

**** heads on scrambers

 

Dogs by the dozen even though they have no right to be on the land!!!

 

Why should I let these people ruin my sport for me?

 

 

You are totally correct, but there is just no winning is there?

 

Wait until this open access starts properly, you will see half the wildfowling lost in the UK.......

[marky123]

Hello

The experiences I've had with members of the public leads me to believe they think they can go anywhere they like and there isn't a thing you can do about it.....

MARK

[mr salt]

Hi

when i go out ,i take a photo copy of my cert,

But i do write on it in black bold pen.

This is a copy.

Because iam not really a great lover of the normal police,and can see them try to do me for trying to copy an offical document.

But i must say most firearms police are ok, and its best to try to get on with them as most like shooting and the countryside and can see your point of view.(get them on side)

I never shoot when the public is about,as before you know it,they make stuff up,

and its just bad news.

I really dont know the law,but i would think its not right to give a gun to a normal pc, unless they have a cert .

its against the law to give a gun to someone without the right paper work.(and let it out of sight)

 

cheers scott