Gordon R

I'm not a Beretta fan, but would pick the 682 over the Cynergy. Personally I would go for a Miroku or Browning Ultra XS.

£10 and a small angle grinder. Watch your fingers

£143 - getting ripped off.

Get a Miroku.

Oozelumbird - £40 plus postage or free collection. One third of new cost.

Victory Sporters £100 per 1000, Eley Olympics £99 per 1000 - up t'North west.

Why would he expect to get away with a blatant lie? As you say, they already have the details, so why deny them. "Embarassed" - stupid would be the kindest thing I could say. If he can't be honest about his past and face up to it, he has no right to firearms.

Is the question for me or Oozelumbird?

If someone buys it and wants a replacement forend. I have one - cheapish.

Try Ebay - usually plenty of Beretta stocks or try Chris Potter Guns Kent.

Now sold. Still got a Browning GTi - 32" 3/8 and 3/8. Nice gun - £550. When that goes, my clearout is complete.

Get a Miroku and get the Franchi out of your head.

Still for sale. Quite rare.

http://www.batleygunclub.co.uk/Main%20Frame.htm Decent shoot and friendly people. http://www.holmfirthshootingschool.co.uk/ Nice ground and brilliant family who run it. Mercrol Gun Club GROUND INFORMATION GREENGATES FARM OTLEY OLD ROAD HORSFORTH, LEEDS, LS18 5HY Phone: 01924 370251 CLUB SECRETARY MR G HEATH

Customer service is something they do not appear to have in abundance. I have been several times because it is local. Never again.

Obviously it will need bolting to a substantial wall - normally an outer wall. If you can conceal it inside a built in wardrobe for example - so much the better. Keep checking the small ads on here and Airgun BBS - secondhand safes crop up - also Ebay. They are an item which does not really deteriorate with age.

If it suits you - it's okay. It's just that the self doubt seems to have hit you - not me. :) I agree about not banging other guns. I have four in a seven gun safe and sometimes I bang others.

Hardy - you just summed up exactly my experience - boxes, bags, pockets full of different shells, one shell both pockets. :)

There is no such thing as a spent offence when applying for firearms or shotgun certificates. If you miss it off deliberately - chances are you won't be getting one. It should not affect your application. I don't think they are ever removed from the PNC. Although not compulsory, you will find it almost impossible to get a cert without a gunsafe. http://www.clay-shooting.com/guntests/index.html http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/news-and-p...pdf?view=Binary http://www.briley.com/index.asp?PageAction...tom&ID=51#1 http://www.paragonschool.com/shooting-tips-2007.html http://www.guntrader.co.uk/ - might give you some idea of prices. http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/Gun...061010173008092 £595 In Preston - Entwistles are okay. I would not recommend Bond and Bywater. Bamfords at Eccleston and Tim McAvoy at Standish (Wigan) are okay. Target Sports at Bolton are pricey and poor selection. Malmo on the way to Lancaster - might be okay for browsing. Last time I visited, they said they had too many trap guns to tell me over the phone. Mate counted them up at three. Better looking at small ads on here or at clubs. Rishton usually have one or two for sale.

£600 would buy you a decent Beretta, Browning or Miroku over and under. The latter represents the best value for money. £400 would buy you a decent auto. Near Preston you have :- The Dolphin - Longton - decent ground - no food. Toplands Farm - Woodplumpton - very good ground - Skeet and Sporting - good food. Rishton - excellent targets and food. Very friendly and cheap. Blackpool (Greenhalgh) - targets okay - food okay - easiest access, prices just gone up. Two at Clitheroe on Slaidburn Road - one on the right from Clitheroe - MOORCOCK CLAY PIGEON CLUB - not bad. Other - opposite side of road - not been to but heard it is good. A6 CLAY TARGET CENTRE - Skeet, DTL and ABT - food, car park good, prices just gone up. BOBBIN MILL SHOOTING GROUND - Skeet and Compak Sporting. Nice place - little food. BOLTON GUN CLUB - same ground as A6, but alternate Sundays. Cheap. Briercliffe Clay Shoot - went, but never found it. Won't try again. BRINDLE - near Chorley - no food. Good targets KELBROOK LODGE - pricey. MALTKILN SHOOTING CLUB - no thanks. RIXTON CLAY SHOOT - on East Lancs Road. ROCHDALE GC - 25 years since my last visit. RUNNING HILL CPC Uppermill Oldham - okay targets and food. Access is four by four only. You have been warned. SHAW & CROMPTON, near Oldham - small club with very limited facilities, but cheap and friendly. SPORTSMANS ARMS GUN CLUB - open every week except the week I visited. Won't go again. TRAWDEN CLAY PIGEON CLUB - steel shot only - will not visit again. WEBTON CLAY SHOOTING - Hesketh Bank - never been. WORSLEY CLAY SPORTS CLUB, near Eccles - pricey and uses Claymate - not for me. Too many silly targets into the sun, plus the horseflies. Expect to pay £10 for 50 clays and £5 to £6 for 50 shells. Some are dearer. I missed Whitworth - Thursday nights, alternate weeks. Decent targets. The Boar at Tintwistle near Glossop - fair trek, but big ground. Holmfirth was in Yorkshire, but they might have moved it - tricky people. :)

Digger They may well be beating themselves up inside and so they should. I have not heard them utter anything like an admission that they were appallingly negligent at best. They seem to think that what they did was okay - they just got a little unlucky???? They do hide their grief quite well when jetting off somewhere else or on TV. My wife who is far less cynical thinks they are a very odd couple. I feel that she is very charitable.

The McCann's behaviour appalls me. They were at best very, very stupid and naive. At worst - it doesn't bear thinking about. I have been uncomfortable from day one with the way they jet around the globe, with every TV appearance seen as a photo opportunity. They seem very at ease in front of a camera, with no sense of acceptance as to what they have done. I think they should face justice, despite their loss. It's all very well saying they were just out for a drink - many metres away, but it was enough for someone to abduct the child, from an unlocked apartment. As a parent and grandparent, I would not be able to function, let alone appear on TV in various countries. No excuse is too small, no lead so slender, than off they go again - jetting somewhere different. It stinks.

Thanks - computers are not my strongest point.

Laurona 32" - Trap barrels 3/4 and full, with Sporter stock and forend. Chrome bores and black chrome barrel finish. Very rust resistant - ideal - game or wildfowling. 3" magnum proofed. Excellent condition - had very, very little use - less than 600 shells through it. Very good looking gun. £350 - no offers at this price.

Miroku MK38 forend for sale. Beavertail, but slimmer than normal chunky Trap model. Should also fit Browning 325,425 and 525. Check if in doubt. Very good condition - no scratches, cracks etc. Very slight mark near front of forend iron. See photo. Hardly noticeable in the flesh. No longer have the gun I bought it for. £40 - plus postage £5. These are £115 from Browning. £150 if you specify Browning rather than Miroku.