bignoel Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 while on my way home from lamping saturday night 1am i had a pull for a tail light out pulled over and it just happen to be the armed responce unit .striaght away he asked what firearms where on board told him a 243 asked to see it showed him it was in a hard case then asked me for my license i explained its in for a variation section 5 been added which replied so you have no license ? i replyed the PNC told you i am a licensed firearms holder yes . BUT you cant produce it no its in for a variation he then confronscated my rifle and ammo bolt and gave me a ticket .on the ticket it says .[ male seen in vehicle inpossesion of a S1 firearms no license held ] no home visit or vehicle search no ticket for faulty light just took my rifle and left confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Ring FAO this morning Noel and if your a member of basc get onto them as soon as the office opens, something don't sound quite right here to me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 there's nothing very strange about that - they do have the remit to confiscate your firearms unless you can show your license. Just call your FEO immediately and explain the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeymagic1969 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I Have been stopped a couple of times and never had my guns taken, as Noel said they know via the PNC whether you are a license holder or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 and it does not state anywhere on your license it has to be carried at all times else when your license goes in for a variation your fao would not ask if you had enough ammo to see you throu till it came back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 ask your FEO to write you a letter confirming your ticket, then go straight over to the holding unit for firearms and collect. if they refuse, call BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignoel Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 as soon as 9am appears i am on the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varmintator Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 let us know what happens sounds really odd that they would jump at taking your rifle off you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Ensure you check the rifle for any damage as they are not exactly careful when handling them usually (to the point where they are dropped in a pile of other rifles! And the claims process is not an easy one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) Good luck with this sounds a bit odd years ago had my shotguns taken had walked across ground with lad who lived local to area to get too permission. It was one unfenced field owned by as it turned out a different farmer. took me ages to get guns back . keep us updated good luck brian Edited March 15, 2010 by brian28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Hi Not unusual in my opinion - Polices Services want their statistics to show they are active in terms of being 'robust' on weapons and in particular firearms -even if they are legitimate (the easiest to work on as all known about). It may not say on a FAC to carry at all times but 'good practice' and not leaving any chink for the PS to exploit should be the norm for all FAC holders. Of course PNC/Firearms Licencing/whatever is available - if it works............if not (and you wont know if it is/isnt as its their call) in this situation. Plus its 'brownie points' for whoever has stopped you...........We all talk about 'common sense' but unfortunately when you put a (police) uniform on most there isnt much of it about, if at all, or it is removed as a prerequsite. At renewal (variation?) in my experience PS provide a receipt for the FAC when the forms are handed in - in law this has no weight if stopped as above, even though the respective Firearms Depts say that its acceptable etc etc. The person whose pulled you over is not interested in the slightest in extracting the 'facts' from your 'explanation/chatter' with them - just get the kit off you and be able to show that another firearm has been 'sorted'........ I always insist on a Section 7 Temporary Permit to Possess being in my hands if there is risk that my FAC will expire before they get it renewed (I submit renewal applications at least 8weeks before expiry and before their reminders) before I hand over my FAC for renewal - there is 'whinging' at the Office end that this is unnecesary work and they insist I put the request in writing but so be it - I am covered 'in law'. This raises a separate question - does a S7 allow firearms to be used as per conditions (as these are not carried over to it) or just to 'possess'.......?) Await outcome/thoughts/views with interest. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 If I send my FAC off for any reason I always take a copy of it first and just carry that - mind you I have never been stopped in 20+ years of shooting that always seems to happen to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Good luck, I hope it's all sorted with no more fuss! My FEO told me that there was no requirement to carry my ticket(s) with me but felt it would be better if I did. He did say though that if I didn't want to carry my ticket(s), take a photocopy. Would this have helped in this situation? (sorry to hijack the thread but I do often wonder if my copies are worth bothering with!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I read this earlier and now have a full colour photocopy of my SGC so i'll have at least some evidence in whatever shooting bag i pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 If I send my FAC off for any reason I always take a copy of it first and just carry that - mind you I have never been stopped in 20+ years of shooting that always seems to happen to others. I have heard that it is an offence to copy official documents such as fac and passports etc, but not sure of the voracity of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I have heard that it is an offence to copy official documents such as fac and passports etc, but not sure of the voracity of that If you do it, you will know the word FRAUD is watermarked into both FAC's and SGC's now so you won't be fooling anyone it's the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 If I send my FAC off for any reason I always take a copy of it first and just carry that - mind you I have never been stopped in 20+ years of shooting that always seems to happen to others. snap, They can ascertain you've a license from a PNC check so really there shouldn't be an issue, you aren't holding a firearm without a license as you have one whether its in for variation or not you still have it. Whether the officer has mis understood you may be the answer, whichever way i'd be making complaints to the top as you were completely legal and if they could verify you were who you were saying you were they would have known you had a license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum10 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 snap, They can ascertain you've a license from a PNC check so really there shouldn't be an issue, you aren't holding a firearm without a license as you have one whether its in for variation or not you still have it. Whether the officer has mis understood you may be the answer, whichever way i'd be making complaints to the top as you were completely legal and if they could verify you were who you were saying you were they would have known you had a license. Spot on agreed !!!! PNC shows everthing now same as driving licence and insurance ? My complaint would be on the chief constables desk this morning !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Surrey police being over cautious after Surrey boy died (killed himself) using a licenced firearm ? at the weekend ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Hi, The *******! Power corrupts, absolute power (over you) corrupts absolutely. So, lets absolutely see his rank and name on here to forewarn all the other Surrey lads. Sorry for you mate, that put the damper on that evening out. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 From what I recall there is no requirement to have your licence in your possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 there isn't so the only real explanation is they either took him too literally that he didn't have a license or they weren't happy with who he was. All a bit strange but then most plod don't know much about guns and legal ownership so really they were probably making the rules up as they went. A proper complaint is in order if it went down as described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 This is all a pain for noel but imagine he was on his way to bought stalking! how would that be sorted out if the police cost you a days stalking or the final of a shooting competition? would the person be reimbursed? Regards, Gixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 This is all a pain for noel but imagine he was on his way to bought stalking! how would that be sorted out if the police cost you a days stalking or the final of a shooting competition? would the person be reimbursed? Regards, Gixer nope because we are shooters therefore we have no rights and are easy targets, they would have known he had a licence as its on their records shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 they would have known he had a licence as its on their records shaun Course they knew, he said the first thing the guy said was what guns has he got in his possession Sounds like an obvious force stat-lifter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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