What a bloomin' good read!

[Doc Holliday]

I am currently reading a very good book. The book is called “Ten Years On: Britain Without The European Union”. It gives us various scenarios in different areas of life and compares them to how it would have been under EU rule and how it would if we governed ourselves.

 

The areas covered are as follows:

The Business Owner (interesting if you run your own business or are self employed)

The Workforce (covers things like overtime and how it affects the individual and the business owner)

The Representative (those elected to office – local or national)

The Fisherman (mainly for commercial fisherman and how it deals with quotas)

The British Farmer (one for you Baldrick – all about the red tape or lack of it if we govern ourselves)

The Third World Farmer (shows how the EU with & without Britain affect third world farmers)

The Consumer (you and me, in a nutshell)

The Law Enforcer (covers how Britain can cooperate with European countries giving law enforcement as an example but without being beholden to them, especially when their side goes tits up. Also gives examples of law making and lawyers, judges, etc.)

Identity & Immigration (currently about to read, as with the rest of the book)

The City Trader (as above... and the rest of the book I’ll add comment on as soon as I’ve finished it – hopefully by tomorrow).

 

I have to say it but, so far, the last time I read anything that made that much sense was when I read the UKIP election manifesto the other day.

 

The book is published by the Tax Payer’s Alliance. They campaign for better services & lower taxes. They have no political alliance as their sole aim is to highlight and expose the wasteful spend of taxpayers’ money at every level, in town halls, quangos, Whitehall, Westminster & Brussels.

 

So if you really give a hoot as to the Greatness of Britain I'd strongly recommend reading this before the general election.

 

I also meant to say "Did you know that we, the British Tax Payer, pay a daily sum of £45 million into the EU coffers EVERYDAY?

Edited March 24, 2010 by Doc Holliday

[henry d]

The book is published by the Tax Payer’s Alliance. They campaign for better services & lower taxes. They have no political alliance ..............

 

Hmmm and Double Hmmm

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks for the heads up on that henry. What doesn't add up is that if the tories are part funding it how come the points raised in their material don't reflect the views of the tories? Well, where Europe is concerned anyway.

Edited March 24, 2010 by Doc Holliday

[John_R]

Any book of that type is just hypothetical, full of what "might" might have happened. There is no way it can be accurate, and as such cannot be worth bothering with, unless for entertainment value.

 

I am as frustrated as anyone with EU and government messing about with everything, but I think this book is not going to end up on my shelves any time soon.

[malkiserow]

Futureology can be very entertaining

[John_R]

"Entertainment" is one thing, and if this entertains you then fine. How much value it has as part of helping to make one's choices for the General Election is very much in doubt.

[Doc Holliday]

"Entertainment" is one thing, and if this entertains you then fine. How much value it has as part of helping to make one's choices for the General Election is very much in doubt.

 

Well, maybe if you actually bothered to read what the EU is doing to the UK then maybe you'd actually grow a pair of balls and use them in the next election instead of ******* & moaning about the lib-lab-con and how ****** off with the EU you are. No offense but I just can't stand people who sit and whinge and then vote for more of the same.

 

And at no point did I say that what was in the book is what will become in ten years should we get to leave the EU. It's just a hypathetical view offering an alternative take from a cetain angle.

Edited March 24, 2010 by Doc Holliday

[MPT1]

Thanks for the heads up on that henry. What doesn't add up is that if the tories are part funding it how come the points raised in their material don't reflect the views of the tories? Well, where Europe is concerned anyway.

 

Would it be that they are misleading us?

 

The last couple of years have not been good for many Britons or Europeans for that matter.

People are slagging Gordon now, prior to Labour being elected it was the Tories.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with Doc, it is in our power to change for the better.

 

Not voting doesn't help, voting for labour because your dad did doesn't help and voting Conservative because you bought your council house doesn't help.

People do not read proper news papers nor do they watch in depth TV news reporting. This means their vote is, if made at all a kne jerk reaction no better than picking with a pin blindfolded.

[John_R]

You really have no idea how I feel about the present state of affairs, and even less idea of how I intend to vote! I have balls enough thank's very much, and I don't need this book to tell me how **** the EU has been for us.

 

However, you strongly recommended this book be read before the election. Seeing as the book is hypothetical, that recommendation is not seriously worthwhile.

[Nial]

I am currently reading a very good book. The book is called “Ten Years On: Britain Without The European Union”. It gives us various scenarios in different areas of life and compares them to how it would have been under EU rule and how it would if we governed ourselves.

 

 

I thought it was far to speculative and 'rose tinted' to be of any real worth.

 

 

This ...

 

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cs37.pdf

 

..on the other hand is much better reasoned, looking fairly (as far as I could see) at each

point considered, and backed with real world figures.

 

The conclusion is that it costs the UK ~£40 billion a year to remain in the EU.

 

I also meant to say "Did you know that we, the British Tax Payer, pay a daily sum of £45 million into the EU coffers EVERYDAY?

 

Is it not more?

 

 

Nial.

[bicykillgaz]

i'm voting ukip after seeing one of there chaps give a speach the otherday, there not as one tracked as people make out and i agreed with everything the bloke said

 

i don't think browns done any worse than anyone else would have if they'd taken over he couldn't help the recession, and i certainly don't think the tories will do a better job than labour have been doing, i think its time for change and the only views i've heard that didn't sound like more of the same or just false promise is ukip it was straight talking honest sense so they'll be getting my vote :o

[Chard]

This is a party political broadcast on behalf of UKIP.............

 

[pyr8]

tescos will be running the country in 20 years any way.

[poontang]

tescos will be running the country in 20 years any way.

 

That wouldn't be a bad thing though.

 

I'd vote for them.

[BaconBoy]

i hope not,you can't understand most of the staff in my local store,and theres not many english speaking customers either.really do not like the place

[bruno22rf]

Triple clubcard points for your vote.

[woodcock11]

Voting for UKIP - you must be joking - have you guys across the water not got fed up enough yet with the drunken antics of their leader Nigel Farage who runs a rag-bag of Colonel Blimps, disgusteds from Tunbridge Wells and the middle class wing of the BNP.

 

At least one and possibly two of their MEPs are in jail for fiddling thier expenses so dint hold them out as a holier than thou alternative to Labour or the Conservatives.

 

If you want Brown out,, vote Conservative - it is as simple as that. If you want another 5 years of Brown, vote Liberal, UKIP, BNP or any other lunatic fringe losers party.

[MPT1]

Voting for UKIP - you must be joking

 

If you want Brown out,, vote Conservative - it is as simple as that. If you want another 5 years of Brown, vote Liberal, UKIP, BNP or any other lunatic fringe losers party.

 

I have to agree on this point for a General Election.

 

With a By Election you can vote to show that you are discontent, make a statement.

 

If you want someone not to get in then you vote for another who can, voting for minorities is a wasted vote.

[Kent Militia]

Thank you for telling us how to vote, I will make a note of that.

 

While no political party is free from corruption I do believe that the UKIP view that smaller government is better is the right way forward as long as withdrawal from the European Union. The Conservatives are just as bad as Labour in my opinion.

 

If you vote for the big 3 parties in my opinion nothing good is going to come out of it since they have very similar Globalist policies which will be very bad for British Sovereignty.

 

Another fallacy is the argument of "the wasted vote". This is just some circle logic propaganda to ensure that people aren't capaple of real change in the political system, almost scaring them into voting for the same tripe parties year after year. The truth is that we the people have the power, the politicians are scared of us and they know that and we can enact real change on the UK.

 

So don't be scared to go against the tide, I do believe you should vote for whomever you want and no vote is wasted.

 

Anyway I am probably voting Libertarian Party since I don't like the current UKIP stance on banning burkhas.

Edited March 25, 2010 by Kent Militia

[John_R]

This just goes to show how poor the voting system is, and the sorry state of politics in general, when people feel they have to vote for a party they don't like just to prevent another one winning.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't... but I'll still be voting for sure.

[Cranfield]

Would it be that they are misleading us?

 

The last couple of years have not been good for many Britons or Europeans for that matter.

People are slagging Gordon now, prior to Labour being elected it was the Tories.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with Doc, it is in our power to change for the better.

 

Not voting doesn't help, voting for labour because your dad did doesn't help and voting Conservative because you bought your council house doesn't help.

People do not read proper news papers nor do they watch in depth TV news reporting. This means their vote is, if made at all a kne jerk reaction no better than picking with a pin blindfolded.

 

What newspapers do you suggest we read ?

[alexr]

What newspapers do you suggest we read ?

Proper ones, obviously.........

[Kent Militia]

The matter should be not what proper news papers that we read I think the problem is that there are no proper newspapers.

[Cranfield]

What newspapers do you suggest we read ?

 

 

Proper ones, obviously.........

 

I have never read any newspaper that didn't have its own agenda that it was trying to sell me.

I doubt there is such a thing as an "independant" newspaper.

[Doc Holliday]

Voting for UKIP - you must be joking - have you guys across the water not got fed up enough yet with the drunken antics of their leader Nigel Farage who runs a rag-bag of Colonel Blimps, disgusteds from Tunbridge Wells and the middle class wing of the BNP.

 

At least one and possibly two of their MEPs are in jail for fiddling thier expenses so dint hold them out as a holier than thou alternative to Labour or the Conservatives.

 

If you want Brown out,, vote Conservative - it is as simple as that. If you want another 5 years of Brown, vote Liberal, UKIP, BNP or any other lunatic fringe losers party.

 

That is such an old chestnut. The only wasted vote is one where it is not used at all. The conservatives have no plan to have a referendum on joining the EU. Last I heard I wasn't even asked if I wanted to join and I dare say that will be the same for every single person in the UK (except those that have led us into it). If I want Brown and goons out I will certainly not vote Consevative to do so. I have a pair of balls and I'll be using them to vote for the party I consider can do the best for the UK and it's people. The way things stand, it's not any of the main 3. A hung parliament will only last for a year or so then another election will be called. It goes without saying. In 5 years time under the liblabcon we'll be so far into the EU it will be extremely difficult to negotiate our withdraw from it because, lets face it, by then most of the tax paying UK residents will be fed up to the back teeth being told what to do by non-elected Brussels beaurocrats who's only interest in the UK is how much we can milk it for. I don't know about you but I'm certainly not happy with my hard earned tax going to subsidise some less well off European (or vitually middle-eastern) country because they don't have what it takes to make it on their own. We do and that's the way I'll be voting.

 

Thank you for telling us how to vote, I will make a note of that.

 

While no political party is free from corruption I do believe that the UKIP view that smaller government is better is the right way forward as long as withdrawal from the European Union. The Conservatives are just as bad as Labour in my opinion.

 

If you vote for the big 3 parties in my opinion nothing good is going to come out of it since they have very similar Globalist policies which will be very bad for British Sovereignty.

 

Another fallacy is the argument of "the wasted vote". This is just some circle logic propaganda to ensure that people aren't capaple of real change in the political system, almost scaring them into voting for the same tripe parties year after year. The truth is that we the people have the power, the politicians are scared of us and they know that and we can enact real change on the UK.

 

So don't be scared to go against the tide, I do believe you should vote for whomever you want and no vote is wasted.

 

Anyway I am probably voting Libertarian Party since I don't like the current UKIP stance on banning burkhas.

Here, Here! Well, mostly anyway.