point and shoot Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 Hi, I've recently bought a semi auto and am shooting 'Hull' three crowns in it. No problem. But what a mess when it comes to cleaning. Takes ages. Are three crowns a dirty cartridge or is it just the gas operating system and oil that will make such a mess in any gun? I will be keen to hear your observations. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 There should not be any oil about Les, they should run dry. If your using a fibre wad cartridge then a lot of the muck in the cartridge does often blow backward into the action unfortunately. The gas semi`s are a complete pain to clean. I love the one I have but I hate to clean it as I insist on doing it properly which takes around 30 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 Gas autos are dirty little ****s to clean, dont over oil them, mine has had 1000 cartridges through it now, still hasn't jammed, but need to clean it really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 just put a very light smear of oil on mine. i find that if i clean after use the 'gunk' and dirty oil film wipes off easily. however mine mostly shoot under 100 shells before being cleaned, clean them after every outing. if its your first auto your cleaning you will find it dirty and time consuming compared to an o/u, but you get quicker at it, or it doesn't seem to take as long after youve done it a few times. what gun are you cleaning, i find the gas beretta's stay cleaner than the sx3. the beretta has more bits to clean but are easier, the piston thing on the winchester is a pain to clean, it gets a wipe off every time used and around every 3 months gets a good cleaning inside with brake cleaner. personally think regular cleaning and gas port cleaning are the key to having a reliable semi auto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 There should not be any oil about Les, they should run dry.If your using a fibre wad cartridge then a lot of the muck in the cartridge does often blow backward into the action unfortunately. The gas semi`s are a complete pain to clean. I love the one I have but I hate to clean it as I insist on doing it properly which takes around 30 minutes. Totally agree, but what is your secret to getting them clean in 30 minutes, my 391 gets a clean every outing and if I could get it cleaned that quickly I'd be happy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point and shoot Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Totally agree, but what is your secret to getting them clean in 30 minutes, my 391 gets a clean every outing and if I could get it cleaned that quickly I'd be happy! Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer. Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyatt Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Clean after every use! If it fails you'll only have yourself to blame for being lazy. I've not worked out an easy way to clean the Gas Ports yet but a quick spray of oil once finished hasn't hurt mine yet. What does the 'O' ring do?!? I may have to try and shoot mine without and see what happens.. Cheap coke helps to get rid of carbon build up, you may need to soak overnight though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 To clean the gas ports on my browning i use pipe cleaners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer.Les Buy a Benelli and save yourself a whole lot of hassle! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Buy a Benelli and save yourself a whole lot of hassle! Mark OR one of its clones Franchi Fast are the same action and cheaper and i think there may be one or 2 others. Would love a Franchi Fast pro myself but GMK the importers didnt have any franchi at the Midland and only list the Fast Black and Raptor 712 (Gas) in the catalogue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer.Les I dont put much oil on myne, the main thing with the hatsan is keep the gas ports clean, the 2 holes half way down the barrel, pull a pipe cleaner through them and give them a blast with the compressor airline. replace the o-ring if it gets tatty as that will make it jam they are good hide guns just keep on top of cleaning, it doesnt take long to clean hatsans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Clean after every use! If it fails you'll only have yourself to blame for being lazy. I've not worked out an easy way to clean the Gas Ports yet but a quick spray of oil once finished hasn't hurt mine yet. What does the 'O' ring do?!? I may have to try and shoot mine without and see what happens.. Cheap coke helps to get rid of carbon build up, you may need to soak overnight though. its got to be there for a good reason, i wouldnt bother trying without it in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 30 minutes? i can strip my remmy down and clean in about 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point and shoot Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 30 minutes? i can strip my remmy down and clean in about 5 Thanks for all your obseravtions and suggestions. Looks like I've just got to grin and bear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Lol your not wrong but we all seam to love them they really are messy ******* and chuck shells over place but wood never swap great pigeon gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 me and the old fella have clubbed together and bought a maxus prestige grade 3;we bought it monday and took out on the clays today to give it an airing and see what we think about it and as the round went on we both started to like the gun more an more i shot 60 out of 75 the old un got 52 so not bad for a new gun and i have never had a semi auto in my life so i was really impressed and cannot fault it put all kinds of shells through it and not a murmer.....after all the praise got home stripped it down to clean and couldn;t beleive the gunk and carbon residue around the piston head and on the locking bolt took much longer to clean than me o/u..but like i said not used to owning a semi so bit of a shock but getting to like em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 (edited) 30 minutes? i can strip my remmy down and clean in about 5 Same here with my 1100! As soon as I get back from shooting, its in the garage, forearm, barrel, 'o' ring, piston ring, piston, trigger plate; that's the first 10 seconds. Edit: Forgot to mention, I put on a clean pair of cotton gloves before I start and use them as part of the cleaning process! At the end I use one as a pull-through! Clean hands! Hey, Soreshoulder, have you ever sliced your fingers on the razor-sharp edges inside a Rem 1100 receiver? Ouch! Edited September 22, 2010 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Stripping takes seconds once your use to it, to clean you need a compressor, a blow gun, a small paint brush and some wd40 (always an idea to check it does not react with the blue finish). For the blow gun i use and would recommend an air line fitting fitted with a piece of copper brake pipe soldered in the end, lots of waft and it can be bent easy to get the hard to reach angles. Soak everything in wd brush it up to loosen any dirt flush it again with more wd and air hose off / out, be careful with trigger group pins, on some models they can come out. I use a dry finish ptfe spray to lube up, it all gets a coat. If you have particularly stubborn baked on dirt around the gas port some carburettor cleaner will shift it quick (always an idea to check it does not react with the blue finish), and the ports can be cleaned with either pipe cleaner or stiff gas welding rod, depending on how gunged up the hole is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Same here with my 1100! As soon as I get back from shooting, its in the garage, forearm, barrel, 'o' ring, piston ring, piston, trigger plate; that's the first 10 seconds. Edit: Forgot to mention, I put on a clean pair of cotton gloves before I start and use them as part of the cleaning process! At the end I use one as a pull-through! Clean hands! Hey, Soreshoulder, have you ever sliced your fingers on the razor-sharp edges inside a Rem 1100 receiver? Ouch! Yes!!! its not just me then, long slice across the top of my finger, wont be doing that again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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