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Hi, I've recently bought a semi auto and am shooting 'Hull' three crowns in it. No problem. But what a mess when it comes to cleaning. Takes ages. Are three crowns a dirty cartridge or is it just the gas operating system and oil that will make such a mess in any gun? I will be keen to hear your observations.

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There should not be any oil about Les, they should run dry.

If your using a fibre wad cartridge then a lot of the muck in the cartridge does often blow backward into the action unfortunately. The gas semi`s are a complete pain to clean. I love the one I have but I hate to clean it as I insist on doing it properly which takes around 30 minutes. :good:

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just put a very light smear of oil on mine.

i find that if i clean after use the 'gunk' and dirty oil film wipes off easily.

however mine mostly shoot under 100 shells before being cleaned, clean them after every outing.

 

if its your first auto your cleaning you will find it dirty and time consuming compared to an o/u,

but you get quicker at it, or it doesn't seem to take as long after youve done it a few times.

 

what gun are you cleaning, i find the gas beretta's stay cleaner than the sx3.

the beretta has more bits to clean but are easier, the piston thing on the winchester is a pain to clean,

it gets a wipe off every time used and around every 3 months gets a good cleaning inside with brake cleaner.

 

personally think regular cleaning and gas port cleaning are the key to having a reliable semi auto.

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There should not be any oil about Les, they should run dry.

If your using a fibre wad cartridge then a lot of the muck in the cartridge does often blow backward into the action unfortunately. The gas semi`s are a complete pain to clean. I love the one I have but I hate to clean it as I insist on doing it properly which takes around 30 minutes. ???

 

 

Totally agree, but what is your secret to getting them clean in 30 minutes, my 391 gets a clean every outing and if I could get it cleaned that quickly I'd be happy! :good:

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Totally agree, but what is your secret to getting them clean in 30 minutes, my 391 gets a clean every outing and if I could get it cleaned that quickly I'd be happy! :hmm:

Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer.

Les

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Clean after every use! If it fails you'll only have yourself to blame for being lazy. I've not worked out an easy way to clean the Gas Ports yet but a quick spray of oil once finished hasn't hurt mine yet. What does the 'O' ring do?!? I may have to try and shoot mine without and see what happens.. Cheap coke helps to get rid of carbon build up, you may need to soak overnight though.

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Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer.

Les

 

Buy a Benelli and save yourself a whole lot of hassle! :hmm:

 

Mark

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Buy a Benelli and save yourself a whole lot of hassle! :yahoo:

 

Mark

OR one of its clones Franchi Fast are the same action and cheaper and i think there may be one or 2 others. Would love a Franchi Fast pro myself but GMK the importers didnt have any franchi at the Midland and only list the Fast Black and Raptor 712 (Gas) in the catalogue

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Thanks for that guys. Thought that might be the case. I only know of the benelli that is receoil operated, are there any others. I have a Hatsan Escort at the moment and find it a very good pigeon gun. I was advised by the gun smith to run it 'swimming in oil' especialy around the 'O' ring area. I think less oil would mean less mess as long as it will function properly if run a lot dryer.

Les

 

I dont put much oil on myne, the main thing with the hatsan is keep the gas ports clean, the 2 holes half way down the barrel, pull a pipe cleaner through them and give them a blast with the compressor airline.

replace the o-ring if it gets tatty as that will make it jam

 

they are good hide guns

just keep on top of cleaning, it doesnt take long to clean hatsans

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Clean after every use! If it fails you'll only have yourself to blame for being lazy. I've not worked out an easy way to clean the Gas Ports yet but a quick spray of oil once finished hasn't hurt mine yet. What does the 'O' ring do?!? I may have to try and shoot mine without and see what happens.. Cheap coke helps to get rid of carbon build up, you may need to soak overnight though.

 

its got to be there for a good reason, i wouldnt bother trying without it in

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me and the old fella have clubbed together and bought a maxus prestige grade 3;we bought it monday and took out on the clays today to give it an airing and see what we think about it and as the round went on we both started to like the gun more an more i shot 60 out of 75 the old un got 52 so not bad for a new gun and i have never had a semi auto in my life so i was really impressed and cannot fault it put all kinds of shells through it and not a murmer.....after all the praise got home stripped it down to clean and couldn;t beleive the gunk and carbon residue around the piston head and on the locking bolt took much longer to clean than me o/u..but like i said not used to owning a semi so bit of a shock but getting to like em.

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30 minutes? :yahoo: i can strip my remmy down and clean in about 5 :no:

 

Same here with my 1100! As soon as I get back from shooting, its in the garage, forearm, barrel, 'o' ring, piston ring, piston, trigger plate; that's the first 10 seconds.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention, I put on a clean pair of cotton gloves before I start and use them as part of the cleaning process! At the end I use one as a pull-through! Clean hands!

 

Hey, Soreshoulder, have you ever sliced your fingers on the razor-sharp edges inside a Rem 1100 receiver? Ouch!

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Stripping takes seconds once your use to it, to clean you need a compressor, a blow gun, a small paint brush and some wd40 (always an idea to check it does not react with the blue finish). For the blow gun i use and would recommend an air line fitting fitted with a piece of copper brake pipe soldered in the end, lots of waft and it can be bent easy to get the hard to reach angles.

 

Soak everything in wd brush it up to loosen any dirt flush it again with more wd and air hose off / out, be careful with trigger group pins, on some models they can come out.

 

I use a dry finish ptfe spray to lube up, it all gets a coat.

 

If you have particularly stubborn baked on dirt around the gas port some carburettor cleaner will shift it quick (always an idea to check it does not react with the blue finish), and the ports can be cleaned with either pipe cleaner or stiff gas welding rod, depending on how gunged up the hole is.

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Same here with my 1100! As soon as I get back from shooting, its in the garage, forearm, barrel, 'o' ring, piston ring, piston, trigger plate; that's the first 10 seconds.

 

Edit: Forgot to mention, I put on a clean pair of cotton gloves before I start and use them as part of the cleaning process! At the end I use one as a pull-through! Clean hands!

 

Hey, Soreshoulder, have you ever sliced your fingers on the razor-sharp edges inside a Rem 1100 receiver? Ouch!

 

 

Yes!!! its not just me then, long slice across the top of my finger, wont be doing that again :blush:

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